Jeet Kune Do is still the best martial arts in the world.
like Buce Lee said....
"I believe kicking a man in the head is like punching a man in his foot. It is impractical to real self-defense"
Street-fighting, the real deal.
Full Version: Jeet Kune Do
I don't wanna say anything much.
The picture posted by Tony Jaa fan in this topic speaks for itself.
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The picture posted by Tony Jaa fan in this topic speaks for itself.
http://pagesperso.laposte.net/tonyjaa/foru...p?showtopic=135
I believe theres merit in every style. So saying Karate is better than Mauy Thai or whatever is not inportant. Whats relevant is how to use the human body to fight that is effeciate and practicle without thinking this is the only way to fight. I think bruce said it best:
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you see, actually, I do not teach, you know, karate, because I do not believe in styles anymore. I mean I do not believe that there is such thing as, like, a Chinese way of fighting or a Japanese way of fighting--or whatever way of fighting, because unless a human being has three arms and four legs, there can be no different form of fighting. but, basically, we only have two hands and two feet. so styles tend to, not only separate man-because they have their own doctrines and the doctrine became the gospel truth that you cannot change! but, if you do not have styles, if you just say, "here I am as a human being, how can I express myself totally and completely?"--now that way, you won't create a style because style is a crystallization. that way is a process of continuing growth.
QUOTE(Guest_Tony Jaa fan @ Dec 5 2004, 10:33 PM)
I believe theres merit in every style. So saying Karate is better than Mauy Thai or whatever is not inportant. Whats relevant is how to use the human body to fight that is effeciate and practicle without thinking this is the only way to fight. I think bruce said it best:
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you see, actually, I do not teach, you know, karate, because I do not believe in styles anymore. I mean I do not believe that there is such thing as, like, a Chinese way of fighting or a Japanese way of fighting--or whatever way of fighting, because unless a human being has three arms and four legs, there can be no different form of fighting. but, basically, we only have two hands and two feet. so styles tend to, not only separate man-because they have their own doctrines and the doctrine became the gospel truth that you cannot change! but, if you do not have styles, if you just say, "here I am as a human being, how can I express myself totally and completely?"--now that way, you won't create a style because style is a crystallization. that way is a process of continuing growth.
i see what you meen. i to like jeet kun do (the way of the intercepting fist) the style of no style. bruce is a greast guy saying jkd can blend in to a nother style and he said fixed style cannot really express your self. he said best. i see you want say how good bruce is, in terms of a good martail artist and a caring guy positive worker. its great to see you have an intrest. tony jaa hero was bruce lee aswell and he also said he loves jackie chan.
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QUOTE(BIoVirus @ Dec 5 2004, 02:04 AM)
Jeet Kune Do is still the best martial arts in the world.
like Buce Lee said....
"I believe kicking a man in the head is like punching a man in his foot. It is impractical to real self-defense"
Street-fighting, the real deal.
like Buce Lee said....
"I believe kicking a man in the head is like punching a man in his foot. It is impractical to real self-defense"
Street-fighting, the real deal.
Care to prove that JKD is the most efficient martial art ?
That Bruce Lee founded JKD doesn't imply that it's the best martial art.
Karate,tae kwon do, kung fu, muay thai are among the best martial arts for self defense.
I don't catch how JKD can be better or more efficient than karate or muay thai for instance.
QUOTE(BIoVirus @ Dec 4 2004, 06:04 PM)
Jeet Kune Do is still the best martial arts in the world.
like Buce Lee said....
"I believe kicking a man in the head is like punching a man in his foot. It is impractical to real self-defense"
Street-fighting, the real deal.
like Buce Lee said....
"I believe kicking a man in the head is like punching a man in his foot. It is impractical to real self-defense"
Street-fighting, the real deal.
Um, any martial art will tell you that for self-defense you use low kicks.
High kicks are good to practice for strength and flexibility. As well, they look good so they are often done for show.
This was a movie so obviously there's going to be more high kicking then in real life.
I don't see how you've proven Jeet Kune Do to be the best martial art when almost every good martial art school will tell you that high kicks are not good for defense.
Also, every martial art has pros and cons. Have you even ever studied a martial art? If you have, then you should know that they ALL have weaknesses and strengths.
KungFuGirl, do you practise a martial art ? Maybe Kung Fu :blush: ?
High kicks are good to practice for strength and flexibility. As well, they look good so they are often done for show.
also, when you practice in class, it's good to practice high kicks against a partner as training for them-- if you never practice to defend against a high kick, what do you do if one is thrown at you? and like kungfugirl said, strength and flexibility. developing high kicks actually makes your low kicks more powerful and faster too.
Also, every martial art has pros and cons. ... If you have, then you should know that they ALL have weaknesses and strengths.
also another great point.
KungFuGirl, do you practise a martial art ? Maybe Kung Fu
i was about to ask the same thing! what do you practice, KFG? you obviously know what you're talking about! i study Hung Kuen. i've been doing it for just about 4 years now. and i have a teeny-tiny bit of muay thai background, but not formal training. just my dad teaching me how to throw knees, elbows, forearms, roundhouse kicks, and teep-kicks since i was about 7. very, very basic stuff.
also, when you practice in class, it's good to practice high kicks against a partner as training for them-- if you never practice to defend against a high kick, what do you do if one is thrown at you? and like kungfugirl said, strength and flexibility. developing high kicks actually makes your low kicks more powerful and faster too.
Also, every martial art has pros and cons. ... If you have, then you should know that they ALL have weaknesses and strengths.
also another great point.
KungFuGirl, do you practise a martial art ? Maybe Kung Fu
i was about to ask the same thing! what do you practice, KFG? you obviously know what you're talking about! i study Hung Kuen. i've been doing it for just about 4 years now. and i have a teeny-tiny bit of muay thai background, but not formal training. just my dad teaching me how to throw knees, elbows, forearms, roundhouse kicks, and teep-kicks since i was about 7. very, very basic stuff.
by the way, as Tony himself said:
"if you like martial arts it doesn’t matter which one you practice as long as you put your heart into it"
-quote from the CHUD interview posted in another section of this forum.
"if you like martial arts it doesn’t matter which one you practice as long as you put your heart into it"
-quote from the CHUD interview posted in another section of this forum.
QUOTE(Sawatdee @ Feb 17 2005, 04:30 AM)
KungFuGirl, do you practise a martial art ? Maybe Kung Fu :blush: ?
Yep!
I study Wing Chun Kung Fu!
KungFuGirl, how long have you been studying? what branch of wing chun? wing chun is cool; i learned the first form and a few drills but that's about it.
QUOTE(Thawan Daeng @ Feb 17 2005, 08:24 PM)
KungFuGirl, how long have you been studying? what branch of wing chun? wing chun is cool; i learned the first form and a few drills but that's about it.
Hello,
Not that long, I'm only about half way through the belt system. The Wing Chun we study is the branch from Yip man (I think that's how you spell it?). We do Shaolin Kung Fu forms as well. Actually, we do quite a bit of general Shaolin Kung Fu in with Wing Chun. Wing Chun is like that though, using what it sees fit from other arts.
You learned the first form? Si lum Tao (sorry I'm not sure how to spell it!)
Where did you learn it? Are you in martial arts now?
QUOTE(KungFuGirl @ Feb 18 2005, 10:26 AM)
Not that long, I'm only about half way through the belt system. The Wing Chun we study is the branch from Yip man (I think that's how you spell it?). We do Shaolin Kung Fu forms as well. Actually, we do quite a bit of general Shaolin Kung Fu in with Wing Chun. Wing Chun is like that though, using what it sees fit from other arts.
You learned the first form? Si lum Tao (sorry I'm not sure how to spell it!)
Where did you learn it? Are you in martial arts now?
You learned the first form? Si lum Tao (sorry I'm not sure how to spell it!)
Where did you learn it? Are you in martial arts now?
Hi KungFuGirl,
pretty cool... halfway through the system! so i'm guessing that means you finished chum kiu and probably started either the 6 1/2 point pole or the baat-chaam-do..? (or maybe finished one of them? or both?)
i learned siu lim tao (there are a billion ways to spell it since it doesn't really matter how you write it in english, right?) as a supplement to my regular hung kuen training. i actually started training about 9 years ago, but took about 5 years off in the middle of that 9 years for college & work... started training again almost 3 years ago. the sensitivity and chi-sao training in wing chun is such a valuable tool that we do those drills even though they're not technically in hung kuen. in order to do those drills, we learn the principles in siu lim tao. hung kuen is basically souther shaolin; ask your sifu-- there's a chance you might actually be doing hung kuen as your shaolin forms!
good stuff...! i'm gonna pick your brain about wing chun some more later. i like learning how students in other schools train-- similarities and differences. in the end, it's all mostly similarities!
It was my understanding that JKD is an idea, a theory, not an actual martial art
good call. bruce lee said that his art wasn't supposed to be classified or labeled, and if it was being labeled, then the name should be forgotten because it's only a name. "jeet kune do" as a system is pretty much antithesis to what bruce's ideas on it were. however, the estate of bruce lee has a lot invested in maintaining that the JKD that is taught now is what bruce had intended. personally, i don't want to get into the politics of it, but that's my two cents. hopefully i won't comment further on the matter. sometimes i just can't keep my mouth shut though!
welcome to the forum, chris.
welcome to the forum, chris.
Hey Kung fu girl, I have been doing wing chun for 15 yrs now,it is one of the best that i like besides muay thai.
it is strait to the point,low kicks,centerline punches..
Ive studyed many forms of Kung fu,one poster sated kung fu,making sound like it is a martial art,but kung fu has many,manny diffrent martial arts in it, wing chun is one, choy li fut,hung gar,.and many others are all difrent styles of kung fu.
the basic thing what bruce lee was saying about JKD is that is what suited him,and he made it his own style,he was originaly wing chun,then found its limitaions,and improved hhimself.
so the whole idea is,use what you can use,and throwout what you cant. every person and body is diffrent,there is no "best" martial art..and people that say there is a "best" martial art, have no clue or experince in the arts..
I studyed Wing Chun, Hung Gar,Muay Thai, escrima,kali and boxing,..my favorites were wing chun and muay thai..
but for street fighting,you need a mix of muay thai and a grappling art,such as gracie jujitsu,because every fight eventualy ends on the ground..
just my 2 bht through my experience as a fighter and a cop
it is strait to the point,low kicks,centerline punches..
Ive studyed many forms of Kung fu,one poster sated kung fu,making sound like it is a martial art,but kung fu has many,manny diffrent martial arts in it, wing chun is one, choy li fut,hung gar,.and many others are all difrent styles of kung fu.
the basic thing what bruce lee was saying about JKD is that is what suited him,and he made it his own style,he was originaly wing chun,then found its limitaions,and improved hhimself.
so the whole idea is,use what you can use,and throwout what you cant. every person and body is diffrent,there is no "best" martial art..and people that say there is a "best" martial art, have no clue or experince in the arts..
I studyed Wing Chun, Hung Gar,Muay Thai, escrima,kali and boxing,..my favorites were wing chun and muay thai..
but for street fighting,you need a mix of muay thai and a grappling art,such as gracie jujitsu,because every fight eventualy ends on the ground..
just my 2 bht through my experience as a fighter and a cop
QUOTE(Ting Tong @ Mar 16 2005, 12:55 PM)
but for street fighting,you need a mix of muay thai and a grappling art,such as gracie jujitsu,because every fight eventualy ends on the ground..
just my 2 bht through my experience as a fighter and a cop
just my 2 bht through my experience as a fighter and a cop
Exactly Ting. A good martial art should teach both grappling and kicking/punching.
However,I tend to think that no martial art is a complete art, that is no martial art can handle any kind of fight.
For instance, karate doesn't teach grappling once both fighters are on the ground.Does Kung fu ? Does it teach grappling ? I don't think so, but as I am no expert at kung fu, I could be wrong.And does Ju-jitsu teach all about punches or kicks ? It doesn't.Correct me if I am wrong though.
Have you watched the first fights of UFC (ultimate fighting championship)? UFC was the first tournament in the States open to all martial arts.Royce Gracie, a brazilian ju-jitsu black belt, demonstrated during the first UFCs that martial arts based on kicks/punches (karate,muay thai,kung-fu,boxing and such)could be beaten by grapplers( ju-jitsu).He could beat them because his opponents had no experience of grappling.
The only martial art which could be a 'complete' martial art is Krav Maga.It teaches grappling, kicking and punching and especially it teaches how to face knives,sticks bars, blunt objects and even firearms.
ting tong, i defer to your experience on this one, but i disagree that ALL fights end up on the ground. i've been in a bunch of fights that didn't end up on the ground. i train only a little bit of groundwork. i train a fair amount of grappling, but mostly stand-up stuff. the reason i don't concentrate on groundwork is because if i end up on the ground rolling around with my opponent, who's to say that his buddies won't run over and stomp my head into the pavement. groundwork is only good against a single opponent. that being said, i do agree that groundwork is useful, but i am of the opinion that it does NOT make a system "complete."
now as far as bruce lee and wing chun goes, i don't think he found limitations in wing chun. i think he found limitations in his training of wing chun. bruce never completed the system; how could he say he knew its flaws? maybe some 'limitations' he found would have been addressed later on in the curriculum. you've trained wing chun longer than bruce did; you should understand that wing chun isn't 'limited' by not having groundfighting. the idea of wing chun is that if your opponent goes down, you finish him without following him to the ground. if you go to the ground, you get up.
bruce lee never said anything that every accomplished martial artist doesn't already know. of course you use what is good for you, and don't use what isn't. that's obvious. the only difference is that bruce said it publicly, and loudly.
now onto UFC... UFC was created by the gracie family, as a showcase for their style of fighting. in the first UFC tournaments, they conquered everyone becuase no one knew how to handle the grappling. so gracie jiujitsu is now super-popular, and everyone thinks it's the greatest thing since sliced bread. let's just make it clear, however, that what goes on in that octagon does NOT happen in the streets. real fighting is almost never 1-on-1. it does happen, but it's pretty rare. once someone goes down, expect someone else to run over and kick em in the head. that's reality.
krav maga is kempo self-defense techniques, except you wear combat boots and camouflage pants. highly effective (cause kempo is highly effective... well, good kempo is highly effective at any rate), but it's kempo. let's not be bewildered by a strange and exotic name and some camo's.
now as far as bruce lee and wing chun goes, i don't think he found limitations in wing chun. i think he found limitations in his training of wing chun. bruce never completed the system; how could he say he knew its flaws? maybe some 'limitations' he found would have been addressed later on in the curriculum. you've trained wing chun longer than bruce did; you should understand that wing chun isn't 'limited' by not having groundfighting. the idea of wing chun is that if your opponent goes down, you finish him without following him to the ground. if you go to the ground, you get up.
bruce lee never said anything that every accomplished martial artist doesn't already know. of course you use what is good for you, and don't use what isn't. that's obvious. the only difference is that bruce said it publicly, and loudly.
now onto UFC... UFC was created by the gracie family, as a showcase for their style of fighting. in the first UFC tournaments, they conquered everyone becuase no one knew how to handle the grappling. so gracie jiujitsu is now super-popular, and everyone thinks it's the greatest thing since sliced bread. let's just make it clear, however, that what goes on in that octagon does NOT happen in the streets. real fighting is almost never 1-on-1. it does happen, but it's pretty rare. once someone goes down, expect someone else to run over and kick em in the head. that's reality.
krav maga is kempo self-defense techniques, except you wear combat boots and camouflage pants. highly effective (cause kempo is highly effective... well, good kempo is highly effective at any rate), but it's kempo. let's not be bewildered by a strange and exotic name and some camo's.
Thawan Daeng,
I agree with most of what you steted,and It does sound like you have a fair amount of experince,most fights will end up on the ground,lets just say ive been around the block and through my personal experince in the last 40 yrs of my life and growing up in brooklyn,and the past 10 yrs as a cop in a major city in the bay area in cali.i have seen most,maybe 95% of fights end up on the ground,most everyone who fights can take a punch or a kick,i know i can..im to stupid to feel pain..but nobody fights like they do in Hollywood,2 guys squaring off trading punches,the one that is losing will automaticly try to take the one who has the advantage to the ground.The bottom line is this,ENCAPACITATE YOUR OPPONENT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE,ANYWAY THAT IS POSSIBLE.THERE ARE NO FAIR FIGHTS IN REAL LIFE.
you just have to find the correct art for your size,personality and skills.
as far as Wing Chun,I have studyed and helped teach it extensivly in NYC chinatown,Oakland and San francisco.
That is an argument in itself between all the diffrent WC
styles/lineages out there on which is better,which is truer..But i have trained and chatted with people who actually new and or trained with bruce lee back in the day in oakland.and he did think it had limitions,even though he didnt complete all,it doesnt mean he didnt know it and his limitaions,he knew enough,looked he new the mok jong (wooden dummy)and he didnt technicly reach that level without finishing biu gee first.
Yes I have trained longer then Bruce,and I do know its limitions,And it is grappling,even though everyone who teaches it says you shouldnt get in that predicament anyway,but there is alwyas Murphys Law.you need back up plans and Wing Chun doesnt have it.
I agree with most of what you steted,and It does sound like you have a fair amount of experince,most fights will end up on the ground,lets just say ive been around the block and through my personal experince in the last 40 yrs of my life and growing up in brooklyn,and the past 10 yrs as a cop in a major city in the bay area in cali.i have seen most,maybe 95% of fights end up on the ground,most everyone who fights can take a punch or a kick,i know i can..im to stupid to feel pain..but nobody fights like they do in Hollywood,2 guys squaring off trading punches,the one that is losing will automaticly try to take the one who has the advantage to the ground.The bottom line is this,ENCAPACITATE YOUR OPPONENT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE,ANYWAY THAT IS POSSIBLE.THERE ARE NO FAIR FIGHTS IN REAL LIFE.
you just have to find the correct art for your size,personality and skills.
as far as Wing Chun,I have studyed and helped teach it extensivly in NYC chinatown,Oakland and San francisco.
That is an argument in itself between all the diffrent WC
styles/lineages out there on which is better,which is truer..But i have trained and chatted with people who actually new and or trained with bruce lee back in the day in oakland.and he did think it had limitions,even though he didnt complete all,it doesnt mean he didnt know it and his limitaions,he knew enough,looked he new the mok jong (wooden dummy)and he didnt technicly reach that level without finishing biu gee first.
Yes I have trained longer then Bruce,and I do know its limitions,And it is grappling,even though everyone who teaches it says you shouldnt get in that predicament anyway,but there is alwyas Murphys Law.you need back up plans and Wing Chun doesnt have it.
Thawan Daeng,
yep you are 100% correct on the UFC,that started in my hayday,and it was indeed to showcase gracie..me and som others tryed to enter it back in the early 90's and we were turned down when we told them our style and experience with underground fighting in Hong Kong.
Hey Thawan, I see in your profile that your also from NY,and you enjoy Hockey also,great, ive been playing hockey since I was 6 and still play.
where in NY are you and where did you study in NY...
I studied under Frank Yee in chinatown,hung gar and wing chun,till I moved to cali and just continued with wing chun.
yep you are 100% correct on the UFC,that started in my hayday,and it was indeed to showcase gracie..me and som others tryed to enter it back in the early 90's and we were turned down when we told them our style and experience with underground fighting in Hong Kong.
Hey Thawan, I see in your profile that your also from NY,and you enjoy Hockey also,great, ive been playing hockey since I was 6 and still play.
where in NY are you and where did you study in NY...
I studied under Frank Yee in chinatown,hung gar and wing chun,till I moved to cali and just continued with wing chun.
hi ting tong, you're absolutely right "there are no fair fights in real life." which is why if i'm forced to fight, i fight really unfairly! i'm a firm believer in non-violence and that fighting is the absolute last resort. i've talked my way out of more fights than i can count. that being said, if i am forced to fight, i believe in fighting really dirty. anyway, that's why i don't think groundfighting is a good idea. if you're rolling around on the ground you can expect a boot, chair, or brick to come crashing down on your head from your opponent's buddy.
you're right that when one person feels they're in danger, they automatically try to bring the fight to the ground... but in my experience (limited experience, i might add), that person doesn't stay on the ground once they realize they're on the ground. i don't know if that made any sense. it's like: "uh oh... i'm in trouble... i better wrestle this guy to the ground... ok now that i'm on the ground, what do i do? ok looks like i better stand up."
bruce was taught biu jee and the mook yan jong (by william cheung i think), but that doesn't mean he knew them. that doesn't mean he didn't know them either though. hahaha for example, my sifu has taught me a butterfly swords form... but that doesn't mean i know it!!!
bruce lee passed away long before i was born, and i can't profess to know what he knew or didn't know about wing chun, but in my admittedly inexperienced opinion, he wasn't in the system long enough to get a really good handle on it.
the thing about murphy's law... i agree and disagree with you at the same time about it. here's what troubles me: i agree that wing chun doesn't have a contingency plan if you get grappled. the problem i see in the idea of cross-training something like BJJ with WC is this: let's say WC is your primary art. let's say you spend 3 hours every day practicing WC. and let's say that you choose to supplement it by spending one hour every day doing BJJ. now let's say you end up in a fight with someone who wants to take you down because they believe they can beat you there. now your primary art which you've spent 3 hours a day training has failed you... now you have to rely on your secondary art, which you don't spend as much time training, to save you...?
now onto other stuff...
i only started playing roller hockey about 8 or 9 years ago, and while that may sound like a fairly decent amount of time, the ideal outdoor hockey season is so short here that i'm still struggling to learn how to put good speed on a wrister, i can barely aim a slapper, and my bearings are probably too rusty right now for me to play. it's pretty sad. however, regardless of all that, i always have a blast when i play. i may not be good, but i love it!
i'm not really at liberty to discuss who my sifu is, because there's a bit of strife going on with him and his sifu (former sifu, actually). if you still keep in touch with anyone from your old stomping grounds in NYC, you might have an idea of what and who i'm talking about.
cheers!
you're right that when one person feels they're in danger, they automatically try to bring the fight to the ground... but in my experience (limited experience, i might add), that person doesn't stay on the ground once they realize they're on the ground. i don't know if that made any sense. it's like: "uh oh... i'm in trouble... i better wrestle this guy to the ground... ok now that i'm on the ground, what do i do? ok looks like i better stand up."
bruce was taught biu jee and the mook yan jong (by william cheung i think), but that doesn't mean he knew them. that doesn't mean he didn't know them either though. hahaha for example, my sifu has taught me a butterfly swords form... but that doesn't mean i know it!!!
bruce lee passed away long before i was born, and i can't profess to know what he knew or didn't know about wing chun, but in my admittedly inexperienced opinion, he wasn't in the system long enough to get a really good handle on it.the thing about murphy's law... i agree and disagree with you at the same time about it. here's what troubles me: i agree that wing chun doesn't have a contingency plan if you get grappled. the problem i see in the idea of cross-training something like BJJ with WC is this: let's say WC is your primary art. let's say you spend 3 hours every day practicing WC. and let's say that you choose to supplement it by spending one hour every day doing BJJ. now let's say you end up in a fight with someone who wants to take you down because they believe they can beat you there. now your primary art which you've spent 3 hours a day training has failed you... now you have to rely on your secondary art, which you don't spend as much time training, to save you...?
now onto other stuff...
i only started playing roller hockey about 8 or 9 years ago, and while that may sound like a fairly decent amount of time, the ideal outdoor hockey season is so short here that i'm still struggling to learn how to put good speed on a wrister, i can barely aim a slapper, and my bearings are probably too rusty right now for me to play. it's pretty sad. however, regardless of all that, i always have a blast when i play. i may not be good, but i love it!
i'm not really at liberty to discuss who my sifu is, because there's a bit of strife going on with him and his sifu (former sifu, actually). if you still keep in touch with anyone from your old stomping grounds in NYC, you might have an idea of what and who i'm talking about.
cheers!
Thawan Daeng,
Basicly it seems we agree on it in some round about way..haha
As far as my sifu, he was my sifu in the mid 80's and I really dont know if he is still around, and since Ive been in cali for the last 10 yrs,I lost contact with my peeps who ive trained with back in the day,so I dont have a clue whats going on there now,but i can imagine,knowing what I know what used to go on....
My sifu in the early 90's was sifu chris chan in SF, he was a training partner and friend of Bruce back in the early days, he actually came here with him from hong kong,and they were both the first chinese masters to teach non chinese back in the 60's...
where does your family live in Thailand,
thailand is like my second home,my wife is thai and i often go back every year..
chok di khap !
Basicly it seems we agree on it in some round about way..haha
As far as my sifu, he was my sifu in the mid 80's and I really dont know if he is still around, and since Ive been in cali for the last 10 yrs,I lost contact with my peeps who ive trained with back in the day,so I dont have a clue whats going on there now,but i can imagine,knowing what I know what used to go on....
My sifu in the early 90's was sifu chris chan in SF, he was a training partner and friend of Bruce back in the early days, he actually came here with him from hong kong,and they were both the first chinese masters to teach non chinese back in the 60's...
where does your family live in Thailand,
thailand is like my second home,my wife is thai and i often go back every year..
chok di khap !
hi ting tong, i think we are agreeing with each other... just took a few extra steps to get there!
i'm pretty sure the troubles you're imagining are accurate! they are indeed an extension of the stuff from the past. i think you're better off not being associated with the mess. it's... um... messy!
my family is mostly in bangkok. when i go, i stay with my grandmother in ratdamnoen (which everyone teases me is like "chaan meaung"-- so far away from everything that it's basically out of town!). sure, tanon khao san is a few blocks away, but only tourists hang out there. i have cousins scattered throught bangkok too (lad prao, ekkamai, couple other places). also family in sukhothai, nonburi, sriracha, pitsanulok, and chiang rai. my parents are going to move back to thailand when they retire and i might follow a few years afterwards to try to help take care of them as they get a little older. how about you? where do you stay in thailand?
san fran seems really cool. if i was in the bay area i think i'd be all about the buck sing choy lay fut. i know there's a lot of really good wing chun out there, but i really like the fight-fight-fight approach in B-sing CLF.
i'm pretty sure the troubles you're imagining are accurate! they are indeed an extension of the stuff from the past. i think you're better off not being associated with the mess. it's... um... messy!
my family is mostly in bangkok. when i go, i stay with my grandmother in ratdamnoen (which everyone teases me is like "chaan meaung"-- so far away from everything that it's basically out of town!). sure, tanon khao san is a few blocks away, but only tourists hang out there. i have cousins scattered throught bangkok too (lad prao, ekkamai, couple other places). also family in sukhothai, nonburi, sriracha, pitsanulok, and chiang rai. my parents are going to move back to thailand when they retire and i might follow a few years afterwards to try to help take care of them as they get a little older. how about you? where do you stay in thailand?
san fran seems really cool. if i was in the bay area i think i'd be all about the buck sing choy lay fut. i know there's a lot of really good wing chun out there, but i really like the fight-fight-fight approach in B-sing CLF.
Thawan Daeng, I always liked CLF, but never studied it,its like if you do wing chun,you cant have anything to do with CLF..Kind of like if your a Yankee fan,you cant be a Met fan..
San Fran is big in choy lay fut,we always had sometimes ugly ...ah...incounters between WC and CLF, the 2 styles really dont get along depending on who you talk to about it, there is a particular CLF family,whom we used to have incounters with that always challenged our WC school,but we always won(nothing crazy,just sparring that sometimes got out of hand)....now I see 10 yrs later they also have WC classes at there school also..haha..But the biggest problems are between all the difrent WC schools here and there lineages...Its like this all over though...
I have been out of it for quite some time now,but am looking to get back into it when I move to AZ,and am looking for schools for my daughters either Choy lay fut or wing chun..
the wife wants them to take Tai kwon do,but I said hell No,i said Muay thai,since there thai..haha,and she said hell no...
Thailand, Hopefully I will retire there some day ,when the kids are old and out of school,and I know enough thai..I usually stay in my wifes village in Buriram,near Korat(mak mak chaan meaung),its a few hours before Surin where tony jaa was from...even though its the poorest area of thailand ,I love the Northeast,people are very friendly in Issan,
San Fran is big in choy lay fut,we always had sometimes ugly ...ah...incounters between WC and CLF, the 2 styles really dont get along depending on who you talk to about it, there is a particular CLF family,whom we used to have incounters with that always challenged our WC school,but we always won(nothing crazy,just sparring that sometimes got out of hand)....now I see 10 yrs later they also have WC classes at there school also..haha..But the biggest problems are between all the difrent WC schools here and there lineages...Its like this all over though...
I have been out of it for quite some time now,but am looking to get back into it when I move to AZ,and am looking for schools for my daughters either Choy lay fut or wing chun..
the wife wants them to take Tai kwon do,but I said hell No,i said Muay thai,since there thai..haha,and she said hell no...
Thailand, Hopefully I will retire there some day ,when the kids are old and out of school,and I know enough thai..I usually stay in my wifes village in Buriram,near Korat(mak mak chaan meaung),its a few hours before Surin where tony jaa was from...even though its the poorest area of thailand ,I love the Northeast,people are very friendly in Issan,
opps, forgot to log in on my reply,that was me..haha
JKD was suited for Bruce not everyone. It was his own style.
I haven't seen any JKD fighters competing in Mixed Martial Arts.
Most great fighters nowadays have Muay Thai, Brazilian JiuJitsu, Judo, Sambo, Boxing mixed together.
I haven't seen any JKD fighters competing in Mixed Martial Arts.
Most great fighters nowadays have Muay Thai, Brazilian JiuJitsu, Judo, Sambo, Boxing mixed together.
QUOTE(Im A Rock Star @ Mar 26 2005, 08:36 PM)
JKD was suited for Bruce not everyone. It was his own style.
right on. some people like it. it's not for me though.
QUOTE(Im A Rock Star @ Mar 26 2005, 08:36 PM)
Most great fighters nowadays have Muay Thai, Brazilian JiuJitsu, Judo, Sambo, Boxing mixed together.
most great ring fighters.
Hi everyone, I read about limitations on wing chun...here in Spain, they train wing chi¡un with escrima
(kali sticks) and grappling...this federation OWT teatches all over the country abd they are like some kind of cult, jajaja I ´ve been training with them a couple of months, but it worries me the ssystem they have of recruiting people. THey seem to brainwash people about wing chun, speaking of it as the most effective and the best of the arts, and they dont seem to care about who they teach, so when you assist to the special classes they do once in a while you can see all kind of dangerous people learning how to break elbows and knees, while the federation gains big time money through a pyramidal way of teaching in wich the student pays the master as if it was the Mcdonalds company.
In the lessons I´ve taken in wing chun, I can see its a very effective syistem and the sifu was really good, but it worries me who tehy teach and their lust for money...
The head of this federation in Spain is Victor Gutierrez, he seems to be a nice guy, and a good teatcher and his brothers teach in diiferent cities of Spain, they learned the art from Kernspecht, a german, former student of Leung Ting.
(kali sticks) and grappling...this federation OWT teatches all over the country abd they are like some kind of cult, jajaja I ´ve been training with them a couple of months, but it worries me the ssystem they have of recruiting people. THey seem to brainwash people about wing chun, speaking of it as the most effective and the best of the arts, and they dont seem to care about who they teach, so when you assist to the special classes they do once in a while you can see all kind of dangerous people learning how to break elbows and knees, while the federation gains big time money through a pyramidal way of teaching in wich the student pays the master as if it was the Mcdonalds company.
In the lessons I´ve taken in wing chun, I can see its a very effective syistem and the sifu was really good, but it worries me who tehy teach and their lust for money...
The head of this federation in Spain is Victor Gutierrez, he seems to be a nice guy, and a good teatcher and his brothers teach in diiferent cities of Spain, they learned the art from Kernspecht, a german, former student of Leung Ting.
hi lece, are you sure you want to be associating with these people? they sound like an unsavory group.
Yeah, I dont train with them anymore, , Sorry, I didnt log in, I am Lecé¡¡
I do JKD for a decade now, and it is not the best. If a art helps you then use it for your advantage. It's biased to say, "This art is better, cause of..." and blah blah blah.
Hengman, that is a very wise viewpoint! you have obviously studied your art long enough to understand it on a very high level!
Lece, i'm glad that you are not associated with that group anymore. from our conversations, i gather you are a noble person and that group you were talking about was not. you are better off without them! hope you are well!
cheers!
Lece, i'm glad that you are not associated with that group anymore. from our conversations, i gather you are a noble person and that group you were talking about was not. you are better off without them! hope you are well!
cheers!
I agree too any martial art is good it depends on the person that uses it.
:) hello, i just came from a demonstration lesson of jeet kune do...
very impressive, i liked it a lot, and i'd like to train that too .
i would need time to practice that too, with muay thai but i haven't enough time to do both of them...
i' d like to be 25yo forever in order to learn all of these beautiful martial arts!!!
very impressive, i liked it a lot, and i'd like to train that too .
i would need time to practice that too, with muay thai but i haven't enough time to do both of them...
i' d like to be 25yo forever in order to learn all of these beautiful martial arts!!!
Just out of interest how old are you guys in here?? :)
IMO, if you want to do a martial art that is best for self defence, then go to a self defence class. By that I mean a class that concentrates purely on attack scenarios like being grabbed from behind, attacked by more than one person, attacked by weapons etc. No point in messing around with forms if that's all you want. Don't ask me what lol... juijitsu or some form of combat aikido should do nicely
If you want to look nice ;) then do wushu, taekwondo or capoeira or something where you prance about (no offence intented, I do capoeira and kung fu).
If you want to compete in a ring relatively easily, try karate or semi-contack kickboxing. More harsh stuff. Hmmm thai boxing/muay thai I guess. Or full contact karate/kung fu.... y'know general striking stuff. Even boxing ;)
I'd definitely recommend JKD, but i'd pair it with a boxing/thai class and yoga. I can't get to any JKD classes any more so I do thai boxing and the other stuff i've learn when I get a chance.
Just make sure you train every part of your body. Lmao
IMO, if you want to do a martial art that is best for self defence, then go to a self defence class. By that I mean a class that concentrates purely on attack scenarios like being grabbed from behind, attacked by more than one person, attacked by weapons etc. No point in messing around with forms if that's all you want. Don't ask me what lol... juijitsu or some form of combat aikido should do nicely
If you want to look nice ;) then do wushu, taekwondo or capoeira or something where you prance about (no offence intented, I do capoeira and kung fu).
If you want to compete in a ring relatively easily, try karate or semi-contack kickboxing. More harsh stuff. Hmmm thai boxing/muay thai I guess. Or full contact karate/kung fu.... y'know general striking stuff. Even boxing ;)
I'd definitely recommend JKD, but i'd pair it with a boxing/thai class and yoga. I can't get to any JKD classes any more so I do thai boxing and the other stuff i've learn when I get a chance.
Just make sure you train every part of your body. Lmao
Thawan Daeng, I have a question. It seems that all the martial arts are the same, but there not. whats the difference between Kung fu, muay thai, karate etc. or do they all have the same consept(not sure how you spell that), but different styles?
also, does it matter what age you are to start, becsause most of the people i know are in their 20's to 30's and i was wondering if its too late for a 14yr old to start? (i hope not:[ )
all martial arts have been designed with the same goal: preserving your life. however, the ways to achieve this can be very different from one style to another. over the years, many styles have changed from combative/militaristic arts into sports-oriented styles. for example, the muay thai that is commonly seen today is a sport-based derivative of the orginal muay thai that was presented in Ong Bak.
tae kwon do is another example of a martial art that is heavily sport-based. tae kwon do is the most widely practices martial art in the world, because it is a popular olympic event.
"kung fu" is a broad term used to describe any chinese martial art, so there can be no simple description of "kung fu." individual styles of kung fu can be very different from one another.
i don't think it matters at all what age you start at. i have seen people start from a very young age (as early as 3 years old), and i have seen people start at a much more advanced age. it is never too early or too late.
tae kwon do is another example of a martial art that is heavily sport-based. tae kwon do is the most widely practices martial art in the world, because it is a popular olympic event.
"kung fu" is a broad term used to describe any chinese martial art, so there can be no simple description of "kung fu." individual styles of kung fu can be very different from one another.
i don't think it matters at all what age you start at. i have seen people start from a very young age (as early as 3 years old), and i have seen people start at a much more advanced age. it is never too early or too late.
There is a discussion on 'Real Life' vs 'Sport' or 'Ring' Fighting. Now.. Meet someone who is accredited in teaching martial arts, and ask him his stories on his expierences on using martial arts. Now.. You will get suprising answers, because most teachers has NEVER used their art in real life situations. One of my instructor (yes i have many instructors) has stories of him fighting in bars and using what he learned, which is geared towards MMA! And guess what, he is in his late 30's approaching 40. And he is getting into confrontations with peeps more then 15 years younger then him. His style of art is geared toward MMA and using it to dominate in the field. He is currently training a few students who are up and coming in the MMA curcuit. But as you say, there is a real difference between street and compitition sport, well let me say there is a differenec, and with more training in 'sport' arts, one is able to dominate in street fights, granted if the art geared toward realism, rather then just showing off. Also, i have a problem with the idea that bjj is just geared toward sport. Ever grappled with someone? I had the same mentality as you, but 80-90% of fights end up on the ground (fair fights that is) and if you dont know what to do on the ground, then you are hit. I dont care if you know wing cung, muah thai or even a 8th degree black belt in karate, a good-ok ground fighter is able to just go in, take down andgrond and pound. Now, how are you able to fight against someone who has full mount, has his body positioned in a way that you are unble to move and with him pounding on your face? Simple, you cant, unless you know some ground game, but you will still be in a disadvantage. Now to who ever said that jiu jitsu does not teach punches, yes, japanese ju jitsu does not, but bjj does. It teaches how to defend and counter, not many people know that, all know just the ground game with submissions. So, if you think that 'ring' fight is just to show off, i dare you challenge vanderlai silva and say that to hisface, he is 200 lbs and 6 feet, simple to move him around in theory from chinese arts, but in reality, he willmove around, go in with knees and f@ck you up. MMA is real, ask true mma teachers about their exp and they will give you some good stories on their abilities and 'street' figthing.
To make a long trip short on finding an mma instructor, the mma person beats (AND most of the time mames) the street fighter. It is adifferent story when you fight an mma fighter then some guy in yourclass who just practice stand up.
To make a long trip short on finding an mma instructor, the mma person beats (AND most of the time mames) the street fighter. It is adifferent story when you fight an mma fighter then some guy in yourclass who just practice stand up.
thanks for your opinion. yes, a full mount and ground & pound is for all intents and purposes impossible to defend against, if it is "finalized." when any technique is finalized (joint lock, ground & pound, choke hold, etc), there is no escape. so arguing that ground & pound is inescapable is sort of a moot issue. the point is that you're supposed to try not to let the other guy achieve the full mount.
in the last few months, i've been adding more groundwork into my repertoire. not because i want to be an MMA fighter, but more so that i have a better idea of what happens on the ground, and maybe how to escape the ground to pop back up onto my feet. groundwork should not be ignored, but i truly believe it is not the secret answer to winning every fight.
anyone who stays on the ground in a streetfight is seriously risking extreme personal injury. in a streetfight, what's gonna stop the other guy's friend from hitting you in the head with a barstool when you're in the full mount, ground & pound ? what's the guy in the mount gonna do when the guy in the inferior position pulls a blade ?
in the last few months, i've been adding more groundwork into my repertoire. not because i want to be an MMA fighter, but more so that i have a better idea of what happens on the ground, and maybe how to escape the ground to pop back up onto my feet. groundwork should not be ignored, but i truly believe it is not the secret answer to winning every fight.
anyone who stays on the ground in a streetfight is seriously risking extreme personal injury. in a streetfight, what's gonna stop the other guy's friend from hitting you in the head with a barstool when you're in the full mount, ground & pound ? what's the guy in the mount gonna do when the guy in the inferior position pulls a blade ?
i am a martial art enthusiest and would have to say bruce lee's ideas and opinions on martial art are in many ways true. here is a very self explanitory quote bruce lee said i think about every day, and im sure all of you have heard. "you must be formless my friend, like water" just something i wanted to throw in there . and as far as martial art goes i had a quick question. im going to take muay thai kick boxing classes at this place next to my house. just wondering what i should know or opinions of people that take muay thai and what they think of it. im only going to take it until this august. when august arrives that is my time to leave to thailand to learn muay boran. alright thanks people 
PeAcE!
. and as far as martial art goes i had a quick question. im going to take muay thai kick boxing classes at this place next to my house. just wondering what i should know or opinions of people that take muay thai and what they think of it. im only going to take it until this august. when august arrives that is my time to leave to thailand to learn muay boran. alright thanks people PeAcE!
Whats muay boran?
Now you are bringing different elements into a 'street fight' situ. If a trained fighter, not only in mma (stand up and ground game), but in self defecense art, nothing can stop that person from 
up an opponent or opponents comming at you. Also, why go to a bar alone? My instructor goes to bars often and GLOATS of his exp in fighting, he gets challenges of all sorts, and guess what, i have yet to see him injured outside the mat and ring. It is because he fights his good and he has friends with him at all times when outside his venue. Meaning, dont go fighting where things dont look in your favor. Plus he knows how to fight with a knife, sooo.... Trainging in Martial arts should train most aspects of it. Just training to work out is not a good thing, get exp and go out and train. Get mounted by someone who knows the ground game, understand it, try to hip escape it (one way to defend the mount for those who want to know how to defeat BJJ) and hope his punch does not hurt. Also, get to know how to fight with a knife, cuz well... Fighting with fists will enable youto live, but fighting with a knife, just one fight, will be a life and death situ. In Tony's movie, they dont show the real art of knife fighting and the complexities that hte art is. All i can say is have multi instructors who isnt bias, but willing for you to excel in life saving situ. A street fight is nothin more then people from every day life fightihng where they are able to get arrested.
My advice, be trained in ground game, boxing, kick boxing (Muah thai, since i on this web forum), FILIPINO ARTS (kali and knife) and ect. Because there are elements from these artsthat are benifitial for survival. Ground for ground, boxing for stand up, kick box for showing off and some serious damage, filipino arts for FIGHTING in THE MIDDLE. There are three ranges, close, far and middle. THe middle always get neglected, that is filipino arts come in handy, dont understand, go train in it, then everything will become clear.... All those haymackers flying is a clear example of middle fighting, someting to think about.
My real advice, RUN AWAY, never fight. Fighting is something that is reprehensible to the law and can land you in serious jail time and even fines! Also, the cop gets to beat you up for no reason at all, cuz you fought some dude you dont even know.
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up an opponent or opponents comming at you. Also, why go to a bar alone? My instructor goes to bars often and GLOATS of his exp in fighting, he gets challenges of all sorts, and guess what, i have yet to see him injured outside the mat and ring. It is because he fights his good and he has friends with him at all times when outside his venue. Meaning, dont go fighting where things dont look in your favor. Plus he knows how to fight with a knife, sooo.... Trainging in Martial arts should train most aspects of it. Just training to work out is not a good thing, get exp and go out and train. Get mounted by someone who knows the ground game, understand it, try to hip escape it (one way to defend the mount for those who want to know how to defeat BJJ) and hope his punch does not hurt. Also, get to know how to fight with a knife, cuz well... Fighting with fists will enable youto live, but fighting with a knife, just one fight, will be a life and death situ. In Tony's movie, they dont show the real art of knife fighting and the complexities that hte art is. All i can say is have multi instructors who isnt bias, but willing for you to excel in life saving situ. A street fight is nothin more then people from every day life fightihng where they are able to get arrested. My advice, be trained in ground game, boxing, kick boxing (Muah thai, since i on this web forum), FILIPINO ARTS (kali and knife) and ect. Because there are elements from these artsthat are benifitial for survival. Ground for ground, boxing for stand up, kick box for showing off and some serious damage, filipino arts for FIGHTING in THE MIDDLE. There are three ranges, close, far and middle. THe middle always get neglected, that is filipino arts come in handy, dont understand, go train in it, then everything will become clear.... All those haymackers flying is a clear example of middle fighting, someting to think about.
My real advice, RUN AWAY, never fight. Fighting is something that is reprehensible to the law and can land you in serious jail time and even fines! Also, the cop gets to beat you up for no reason at all, cuz you fought some dude you dont even know.
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Lao Artist, i agree with most of what you say. just one thing... don't use vulgarities please
if you're gonna continue to post, i encourage you to register as a member of the forum, so we can get to know you.
if you're gonna continue to post, i encourage you to register as a member of the forum, so we can get to know you.
There are young peeps here? I used it a few times, not often. Dont you use them? Dont your training partners use them? All cultures in the world use them to express a feeling, which can be understood in the culture. In LAOS culture, we use them ALL THE TIME, hence the name, Lao Artist. I dont know about thai peeps, but it is in my blood and culture to say them. Also when i train, my partners use them, instructurs use to and ect. If there are young peeps here, sorry, but you will learn about them reguardless. Express the swear words, dont suppress, look at other cultures and languages and how they use their words and language, then you will understand. Its a way of expression that is crossculturally understood.
honestly, we don't know the ages of all the visitors here, so it's better to play it safe, you know? i only counted that you used a profanity once. it's not a big deal, but why not try to speak in a proper manner anyway? i don't think it's too difficult to look at what you write before you hit the "add reply" button. here, you are NOT amongst your training brothers, and you are in fact in a privately owned forum. there are many, many other ways that you can express yourself that are not offensive to others. and the only reason i write in red is to be all "official" and stuff... it's not to express anger or anything.
Kung Fu is an English terminology referring to generally all Chinese martial arts. It is derived from the words "Gong Fu" meaning literally "hard work" or "requiring lots of practice" or "to perfect one's skills."
Most people when speaking of Chinese Gong Fu in the general sense, is referring to the martial arts of the Shaolin Temple, or simply "Shaolin." The word Shaolin is made up of the two characters "Shao" and "Lin," respectively for "Little" or "Small" and the character for "Trees" or "Forest"; thus meaning "Little Forest." However, Gong Fu, (or Kung Fu in Western terms,) does not exclusively refers to Shaolin. There are a variety of systems outside of the original Shaolin Gong Fu. However, they are largely unknown and kept within families.
If you watch a lot of Shaolin movies, you would see some examples of other martial arts, largely militaristic, used by the Manchus and others, styles that are not Shaolin, yet is still Gong Fu.
Shaolin is divided into Northern Shaolin and Southern Shaolin. Northern Shaolin, as its name implies, is practiced mainly in the northern part of China, with an emphasize on the use of "the feet," the lower part of the body. This emphasize is, as many will explain, is due to the cold, snowy terrain in the north. The feet is considered the strongest and has the farthest reach suitable for long range attacks on vast areas of land. Southern Shaolin emphasizes the use of "the hands," the upper part of the body, focusing on close countering in small spaces such as alleyways and corners. An example of a Southern Style is the effective Wing Chun, made famous by Bruce Lee.
Shaolin, originally, was made up of The Five Animals. Over time, these five systems, intertwined and evolved to the various other Shaolin arts.
While most will agree that all martial arts developed from Shaolin, many will also agree that other systems of fightings, especially those of neighboring countries, such as Thailand and Japan, were developed at the same time when the Shaolin monks were developing Shaolin Gong Fu.
If you look closely at Wing Chun, you will find numerous similaries between itself and Muay Boran. There's a link somewhere here in the discussion group with a history, or rather a historical perspective, of the development of these two systems. Shaolin Gong Fu, in itself uses the knees and elbows, but do not emphasize them to the extend of Muay Thai/Muay Boran where they are made the key weapons. Interestingly, there exist still a style in Middle Vietnam called "Vo Binh Dinh" that combine both Muay Boran, Filipino arts (kalis, escrimas, arnis), and Shaolin, with many techniques similar to Tony's in Ong Bak. This style is taught only to women of Binh Dinh (the name of the town).
Most people when speaking of Chinese Gong Fu in the general sense, is referring to the martial arts of the Shaolin Temple, or simply "Shaolin." The word Shaolin is made up of the two characters "Shao" and "Lin," respectively for "Little" or "Small" and the character for "Trees" or "Forest"; thus meaning "Little Forest." However, Gong Fu, (or Kung Fu in Western terms,) does not exclusively refers to Shaolin. There are a variety of systems outside of the original Shaolin Gong Fu. However, they are largely unknown and kept within families.
If you watch a lot of Shaolin movies, you would see some examples of other martial arts, largely militaristic, used by the Manchus and others, styles that are not Shaolin, yet is still Gong Fu.
Shaolin is divided into Northern Shaolin and Southern Shaolin. Northern Shaolin, as its name implies, is practiced mainly in the northern part of China, with an emphasize on the use of "the feet," the lower part of the body. This emphasize is, as many will explain, is due to the cold, snowy terrain in the north. The feet is considered the strongest and has the farthest reach suitable for long range attacks on vast areas of land. Southern Shaolin emphasizes the use of "the hands," the upper part of the body, focusing on close countering in small spaces such as alleyways and corners. An example of a Southern Style is the effective Wing Chun, made famous by Bruce Lee.
Shaolin, originally, was made up of The Five Animals. Over time, these five systems, intertwined and evolved to the various other Shaolin arts.
While most will agree that all martial arts developed from Shaolin, many will also agree that other systems of fightings, especially those of neighboring countries, such as Thailand and Japan, were developed at the same time when the Shaolin monks were developing Shaolin Gong Fu.
If you look closely at Wing Chun, you will find numerous similaries between itself and Muay Boran. There's a link somewhere here in the discussion group with a history, or rather a historical perspective, of the development of these two systems. Shaolin Gong Fu, in itself uses the knees and elbows, but do not emphasize them to the extend of Muay Thai/Muay Boran where they are made the key weapons. Interestingly, there exist still a style in Middle Vietnam called "Vo Binh Dinh" that combine both Muay Boran, Filipino arts (kalis, escrimas, arnis), and Shaolin, with many techniques similar to Tony's in Ong Bak. This style is taught only to women of Binh Dinh (the name of the town).
Jeet Kune Do, is a martial arts form made by Bruce Lee (everybody knows that allready).
What Bruce Lee did is, take out some moves out of all styles of martial arts that are out there (kung-fu, muay thai, boxing, karate and so on).
He has created his own style in a sense.
You can see this happening right now, martial arts master in China use 5 kung-fu style moves and create his own style.
For example, a Master learns 5 different styles of kungfu, Snake, monkey, dragon, drunken and tiger style. Instead of switching through these styles, he blends "the best moves" of all the 5 styles into one and voila, he has created his own style.
This is what Bruce Lee did.
I dont practice any martial arts, but I am a fan of it, and have a book of Bruce Lee in which he teaches JKD.
If I would practice martial arts, I would learn the following:
Jeet Kune Do, to be an all round fighter.
Muay-thai, for the directness.
Hapkido (Taekwando and Aikido), for high (flashy) kicks and hand and wrist locks.
I would also like to learn:
Ninjitsu ,for nutralizing my opponents with modern and old age weapons.
This is my oppinion about martial arts.
What Bruce Lee did is, take out some moves out of all styles of martial arts that are out there (kung-fu, muay thai, boxing, karate and so on).
He has created his own style in a sense.
You can see this happening right now, martial arts master in China use 5 kung-fu style moves and create his own style.
For example, a Master learns 5 different styles of kungfu, Snake, monkey, dragon, drunken and tiger style. Instead of switching through these styles, he blends "the best moves" of all the 5 styles into one and voila, he has created his own style.
This is what Bruce Lee did.
I dont practice any martial arts, but I am a fan of it, and have a book of Bruce Lee in which he teaches JKD.
If I would practice martial arts, I would learn the following:
Jeet Kune Do, to be an all round fighter.
Muay-thai, for the directness.
Hapkido (Taekwando and Aikido), for high (flashy) kicks and hand and wrist locks.
I would also like to learn:
Ninjitsu ,for nutralizing my opponents with modern and old age weapons.
This is my oppinion about martial arts.
Jeet kune do isnt a martial art its a concept ,there is no set techniques.Dan inosanto is the only qualified person on the planet to teach the concept of jeet kune do,Im not sure if its changed or not there may be others that dan has passed on the full knowledge too.
what makes dan inosanto the only qualified person to teach the concept of jeet kune do?
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