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anurak
i found this article about TYG recently, and i felt it was very well-written...

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Tom Yum Goong (2005)

AKA: Warrior King (UK), The Protector (USA)

by Mark Pollard

2006.07.10

Tony Jaa returns after wowing worldwide audiences in Ong Bak with one of the most anticipated martial arts movies in years. Despite minor flaws, Jaa, director Prachya Pinkaew and action director Panna Rittikrai meet or exceed the quality and excitement of their initial collaboration with another series of mind-blowing action unrivaled by anything currently on offer anywhere in the world.

Tom Yum Goong expands on the formula set by its predecessor of highlighting Thailand's famous Muay Thai martial art and the screen fighting expertise of its leading movie-based exponent Tony Jaa. In this outing, Jaa and his team turn their attention to a variant known as Muay Koshasan, or Smashing Elephant Boxing. It's historical roots form the basis for the film's simple plot.

The pride a father and son team of elephant protectors share in an opportunity to offer one of their pachyderms to the king of Thailand is shattered when members of a criminal organization kidnap the prized male beast and its young offspring. When Kham (Tony Jaa) discovers his father is wounded and the elephants are missing, he immediately sets out to find them and bring them home.

Kham, however, is no ordinary elephant caretaker. He is descended from a long line of Jaturungkabart, Thai Royal Bodyguards trained in the powerful Smashing Elephant Boxing technique. What was once used to protect the vulnerable points on war elephants bearing kings of old into battle is now turned on unscrupulous black marketeers engaged in the illegal trade of exotic animals offered up as cuisine for clients with unusual tastes.

After busting up the local scene in Thailand, Kham's search leads him to the organization's headquarters in Sidney, Australia's Thaitown, where they operate a front, a Thai restaurant known as "Tom Yum Goong."

Ong Bak costar Petchtai Wongkamlao returns to team up with Jaa once again, this time often speaking in heavily-accented English. He's Mark, a local police officer who finds himself in deep trouble when a senior officer linked to the criminals frames him for the murder of a corrupt police official and a prominent business executive. Mark and his kidnapped sister are the victims of a plot by the restaurant's sinister manager Madame Rose (Xing Jing) to take over the entire family business by eliminating her competition.

In a somewhat confused series of events Kham and Mark wind up together hiding out from police and criminals alike while Kham continues his one-man assault on the black market operators. As Madame Rose finalizes her takeover of the organization and prepares to bask in the glow of victory, Kham confronts her and an army of thugs head on in a final bid to recover his cherished elephants, while Mark recovers his sister.

After an intriguing opening that establishes the hero's background and relationship to the elephants, the story devolves into a wimpy, derivative and sloppy mess of action film cliches, underdeveloped characters and thinly veiled action scene set ups. Prachya Pinkaew apparently didn't learn much since his previous effort and seems content to let the film's hefty action quotient pummel every other aspect of the movie into bloody submission. Considering that the film takes most of its cues from Hong Kong's great '80s action movies, one shouldn't expect too much in the way of great acting or a breathtaking plot. The filmmakers are selling one thing only. Yet, once again they have forgotten that even near-mindless action movies require the bare necessities of a serviceable script.

As most of the movie takes place in Australia, near all of the actors apart from Jaa himself speak English to varying degrees. And like some of Hong Kong's early attempts at adding English dialogue, the effort leaves something to be desired. Unfortunately, the worst offenders are some of the Thai actors, like an accented newscaster who uses bad grammar and Wongkamlao, who as an Australian police officer is practically unintelligible with some of his pronunciations. No disrespect here intended. I don't speak Thai at all, but if you're going to do something that can effect the quality and presentation of a movie then you might as well do it right or change the game plan. The same could be said of Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon where Ang Lee settled for odd Mandarin pronunciations from some of the lead actors, which generally left mainland Chinese audiences unimpressed.

The film's only potential female lead, who briefly offers sanctuary to Kham, ends up spending the rest of the movie lurking in the shadows with no lines and little discernable purpose. And although an outsider with little help considering he barely speaks to anyone, Kham races about town unhindered and conveniently popping up at all the right places with the repetitious battle cry of, "where are my elephants?"

The film practically omits connecting or transitional scenes between action sequences. These non-action scenes may seem superficial to genre fans, but are usually necessary to give the action meaning. Otherwise, you end up with nothing but a movie-length collection of stunt and fight sequences that might as well be presented in random order and minus all the costumes, decorated sets, character names, and feeble dialogue.

Most of the aforementioned problems can be tolerated considering the substantial quality and quantity of the action. Jaa, a former stuntman and Panna Rittikrai, a well seasoned action filmmaker seem bound and determined to outperform themselves and in many aspects they do. They established their signature style in Ong Bak with long, complex and highly impressive action sequences devoid of wirework and elaborate CGI that involved liberal use of props, the environment and just about any number of stuntmen willing to endure pain. The ante is upped this time around with even longer takes and more demanding sequences.

Undoubtedly, the scene everyone who sees this movie will talk about is a 4-minute assault on the title restaurant. With a hip-mounted camera in tow and a small army of stuntmen, extras and hidden crew waiting for their cue, Jaa bursts onto the large, multi-level set and proceeds to battle his way up a series of staircases in a single take. It's a breathtaking fight sequence that challenges the current trend of letting editors and directors assemble action scenes from dozens of multi-angled shots in post-production. It returns to the genre the true art of action choreography and stunt work in it's truest and most daring form where the potential for error and real danger grows with each passing frame.

There are three other standout fight sequences that further Jaa's growing position as the current master of martial arts screen fighting. The first pits Jaa against a mob of extreme sports enthusiasts in a warehouse. The scene evokes some of the best of Jackie Chan's similar experiments with rollerblades, BMX bikes and 4-wheelers, yet condenses it all into one wild package where Jaa outmaneuvers his florescent bulb-wielding foes.

The next scene in a fiery Buddhist temple flooded with water recalls Jaa's pit fighting against various martial arts styles in Ong Bak. The difference here is that there are only three opponents and their abilities are even more defined and more formidable. One of the criticisms lobbed against Jaa's first movie was the lack of opponents with skills commensurate with Jaa's Muay Thai. That problem is solved when he's forced to face three masters of their respective arts with very unique and very competent abilities that present Jaa with genuine challenges. The added value is for martial arts enthusiasts to see several distinct styles matched against each other.

Zero Gravity stunt team member Lateef Crowder makes an impressive showing as a Capoeira fighter who uses the free flowing and opportunistic advantages that his style presents to dodge Jaa's powerful attacks and counter with equally powerful leg sweeps and overhead kicks. Capoeira has only had a few opportunities to be seen on film and Crowder, a gymnast and 12-year veteran of the art performs the best yet. It's a showy performance art that naturally looks great on film, especially opposite a dynamic performer of Jaa's caliber. Unfortunately, Crowder suffered an injury during the shoot that noticeably cuts the exchange short.

The follow up is with British wushu artist and JC Stunt Team veteran Jon Foo. He unleashes an impressive series of sword attacks and stylish acrobatic moves that should be familiar to genre fans who have followed the scene since Jet Li introduced China's national sport to martial arts filmmaking in 1982 with the release of Shaolin Temple. Like Capoeira, wushu is a very performance-oriented fighting style. The only thing missing is seeing both styles working in concert, which might have been the intention of Jaa had Crowder not been injured.

The final opponent in this temple sequence is the most important one for Jaa and his elephant fighting style to face. Aussie's world class strongman and pro wrestler Nathan Jones, a genuine hulk of muscle and power provides Jaa with his greatest onscreen challenge yet. Jones outclasses him in height, weight, reach, mass, and strength. It's a true David and Goliath match up that is left unresolved until the finale. Although this finale technically represents another fight in the movie with three more behemoth fighters added, it's really just a continuation where Jaa continues to search for his larger opponent's weakness. Failing to exploit a superficial head wound, Jaa falls back on his training for a terrific solution that incorporates using symbolic tools available to him. It makes for a satisfying conclusion to a genuine martial arts movie where the protagonist must rely on his training and knowledge to overcome a seemingly unstoppable opponent.

Another fight sequence worthy of mention takes place right before this finale as Jaa takes on a roomful of thugs. It provides a contrast to his dominant striking moves in that he relies entirely on the stand-up grappling techniques of the elephant boxing variant of Thai boxing to painfully break or dislocate limbs left and right. Some might argue that the scene is overly gratuitous in the volume of opponents Jaa sends to the floor, but it provides a wonderful opportunity for Jaa to display a wide array of grappling moves and positioning mixed with some knee blocks and legwork to really drive home the elegance and efficient power of this martial art.

Looking and acting a little bit like a young Yu Rongguang, up and coming Vietnamese-American stunt actor Johnny Nguyen makes a notable impression as Madame Rose's leading henchman. He uses a mixture of wushu and other fighting styles to battle Jaa on several occasions. He seems to have been cast as a fighter on par with Kham, but I'm not sold on the idea. While he has good form, charisma and perhaps greater potential as a screen fighter, he lacks the power that Jaa exudes, while not really presenting anything genuinely challenging or creative.

Rittikrai rounds out the film's fighting action with an explosive speed boat chase through Thai canals that blows any CGI garbage seen in recent James Bond movies clear out of the water. The scene does use limited compositing and blue screens during actor close-ups, but that beats full CGI characters or props standing in for the real thing. This scene also provides a bit of humor and inside joking, which creeps up in other places. Later, Jackie Chan appears to make a brief cameo in what could be interpreted as a passing of the baton, although others have suggested that this is a look-alike. Pumwaree Yodkamol, the mouthy starlet from Ong Bak makes a brief cameo of her own to offer a quick anti-film piracy message. I'm certain Thai film fans will recognize other familiar faces based on the obvious placement of various Thai extras and bit players. Wongkamlao takes part in a few gags that seem more directed at Thai audiences, but still seem amusing within the context of the movie.

When watching this film one thing is certain, Tony Jaa is the real deal. While Ong Bak provided an excellent debut that in a single stroke catapulted him to the level of Jackie Chan and Bruce Lee, Tom Yum Goong signals that he's truly deserving of that distinction. Not only is he an excellent and well-rounded screen fighter capable of collaborating on the orchestration of world class fight sequences, but he appears committed to the greater ideals of his profession. That is, he honors his country and culture while ably promoting the strengths, ideals and history of his chosen martial art. This film lacks some of the care and attention the genre deserves outside of exciting action sequences and slick production standards, but what the film and Jaa's amazing physical performance in it does offer should be more than enough for action and martial arts enthusiasts to soak up with glee many times over.


comments? opinions?

i would like to try to make this thread an in-depth, detailed discussion of TYG. this particular article really focuses on the action; i would also like to discuss other aspects as well: plot, character development, camera work, etc.

i'll add my thoughts and opinions soon.



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anurak
just thought i would go ahead and add lola's well-written review of TYG which she posted recently...

QUOTE(Lola @ Jul 7 2006, 10:28 AM) *

So here we go for Germany...
I think I´m the first german posting here after seeing the film? 07_cool.gif
Anyway, first I want to say that everything which you will read now
is not ment in a offending way,
EVERYTHING is only MY OPINION!!! And please think of: I´m not thai!!!
hm, I must be careful not to say to much about the film,
because there were some surprises, too... 19_tongue.gif
The film is really great entertainment and I´m happy that I´ve seen it
and I´ll definitely buy the DVD (must think which version...)

Ok, critics.

The fights: The fights are awesome but sometimes too fast for my eye.
I missed the repetition like in Ong Bak because that would satisfy my eyes much more.
But the slow motion was ok, too.

The light: it was a bit dark, but it was ok. Nothing to be REALLY disappionted about.

The plot: that´s difficult. The running time was 90 min. and I don´t know what they cut out,
but the story was very confusing, because there were so many questions left.
So many for me and my flatmate that we discussed in the car so deeply about it that we even lost our way on the Autobahn (german highway).
The change from one scene to another was too fast and I had the impression that they worked on the assembly line, showing too much in too short time and the spectators understanding isn´t important, mainly to finish the film fast. I missed the deeper sense of what Kham is doing and why he does what he does. I´m not satisfied with only the fact that he wanted his elephants back. In Ong Bak he wanted the statue back but each fight had its own sense. Maybe thai people understand the sense but for me as a foreigner it was much too difficult to understand why he beats up almost every guy in his way and also destroys everything. Kham is so brutal which would be ok, if I could understand why. TYG was made for international audience and if somebody doesn´t care about the Why, than these people will be very satsfied.
Others like me... well, they are not.

The camera: I liked the fuzzy camera in the beginning (market scene) because it showed the hectic of that scene and I guess also the feelings of Kham but in the fight scenes it was only confusing. It was difficult to really see the kicks and punshes that´s why a repetition like in Ong Bak would have been a good compromise. Also the position of the camera didn´t allow to follow a fight fluently. There were too many changes to too different views in too short time.
The information that the director did music videos before films helps me understanding.

The characters: I barely know the names of the characters. Why? Because I missed real characters. Where is the development of a character within the film? Didn´t the whole story
have any influence of the character? Who are these enemies? Where did they come from? They appear and disappear too fast. The Wushu- Fighter and Capoeira- Fighter didn´t even have a name! For me as a spectator I´m not able to figure out how difficult the opponent is for Kham. Of course you can see the skills of these guys but who are they? Comparision to Ong Bak: Humlae is a player, a liar and he doesn´t care about others and also not about his family and origin. He only wants to make money no matter what the price is. After meeting Ting he sees what friendship means and Humlae changes to a better man. Saming: he is Tings most difficult opponent but he is shown more often, just a few seconds but the spectator get curious about who he is. And it´s also shown what makes him so good (injection). Even Big Bear who appears only one time is introduced by insulting Ting and also Mad Dogs character is shown a bit with the reaction of the people when he appears and by smashing the bottle on Tings head. And what about Don? He is a bad guy because he forces girls to be prostitutes and he deals with drugs. But what makes Johnny a bad guy? Does Johnny have the elephants?
Is he really a bad guy for himself with his own deals
or is he only the marionette for Madame Rose? What´s his job??
Madame Rose and Kham are the only characters who are introduced
and that´s a bit less for me.

In a nutshell:
I think if you didn´t see the film yet and you are here and red this whole topic, you did a big mistake. See the film without any expectations and built your own opinion without being influenced. For me I like TYG but I still love Ong Bak. As a foreigner I would never start looking for information about thai culture after TYG without knowing Ong Bak, but I guess the film makers also wanted to show some thai culture or at least make people curious about it.
That failed, in my opinion and this is exactly the point why
Ong Bak is the better film of Tony Jaa.
But the choreography of the fights are great 1e.gif teef.gif
anurak
just a few of my thoughts...

my main thought about TYG is that in my opinion it didn't have the same charm that OB had. this is due to a number of factors, i believe. my biggest complaints are in lack of character development and weak plot. i'll try not to compare TYG against OB too much; i'll try to treat TYG separately and fairly.

first of all, kham's character: there is some character development in kham, but maybe not enough; we see him as a child and we see him as an adult, but really we see only very little of his growing up. i think it's not too important for the movie to see kham's growth, but i also felt like the first portion of the movie is more about the elephants than about kham. by the time kham lands in australia, i felt like there has been more character development for the elephants than for kham. then throughout the movie, i am generally surprised at anything kham does because i don't know at all what to expect from his character. he remains an enigma; it's really difficult to relate with him because we really don't get to know him. i did enjoy the CG dream sequence as part of character development, and i felt that seeing the jaturongkabat in action helps us to know how fiercely kham will fight. it's a small glimpse into his personality, but i think kham is still left too one-dimensional.

i really liked johnny nguyen's character, johnny. but i think his character was mishandled. he was kind of promoted as a fighter on-par with kham (like the article i posted said), but his fights with kham were much too short and their potential was completely lost. fighters with no backstory had better fight scenes with kham, and i think that was damaging to johnny's legitimacy as madame rose's #1 henchman.

in general, TYG felt more like a videogame than a movie. i know everyone goes to see a movie like this for the action, but a little bit more attention to story would have made a big difference.

on to the fighting: i really enjoyed the bone-breaking fight; it was a technical masterpiece. the long-take scene in the restaurant was incredible to watch - i loved seeing everything come together; total team-effort. in general, however, i didn't like the fighting so much. mostly it appeared to be a lot of acrobatics and a lot of gymnastics, but without the kind of visceral feeling that really endeared OB to me. not that i enjoy brutality, but there was a certain beauty in the way that ting dispatched his enemies in OB that kham didn't have in TYG.

regarding cinematography, i didn't like the blur effects that prachya pinkaew used around the edges during certain scenes. he said that he picked it up from seeing that a lot of thai music videos were doing this, and that he finds filmmaking trends in music videos first. but i think that's a film technique that's appropriate for 4-minute music videos, not full-length films. some of the scenes were a little bit dark, but it was certainly an improvement from the darkened scenes in OB. i think for the most part the slow motion portions were well-done; they flowed well and didn't disrupt the pace of the fighting, which is really difficult to do when the fighting is so high-energy. there were a few times that the slow motion distracted me too much, but mostly it was smooth.

that's all i can think of for now. maybe i'll write about this some more over the weekend.

i hope that others can contribute their thoughts. there's no need to write as much as lola or i wrote; you can choose to write about one aspect only, but please try to be a little bit detailed.
Maxi
OK, here's mine....

If I never saw Ong-Bak prior to TYG, I would not like it as much. It lacked substance, just all action through 75% of the movie. I enjoyed it just knowing that it starred Tony Jaa.
Why do I have a feeling that the producers only promote Tony Jaa for his skills and not more for better dialog. I want to see TJ speak more, even if it's in Thai, but at leased we can also appreciate his extended acting skills, rather than mostly fighting or to rescue another type of icon. So what is it next for him, save the lady in distress scenerio? I did not care much for the crying scene when he found that they killed his elephant, while several men beat him, and even when he got stabbed, it woke him up!.. so what now, his superman all of a sudden, where's the blood?!!! I would have written and squeezed a scene were he woke up in an alley, bruised and bleeding just to be picked up by his police friend and nursed back to health, device a plan to seek the murderers. Atleased it will show that he is more human. It would have added more emotions than All Fight Scenes....Also, it did not make sense when he fell several stories through the roof, landed over the elephant bones and lived! Come-Ooon!

Ong-Bak to me is placed in the ranks of one of the best Martial Arts movie, if not, THE BEST ever made that speaks more for the Thailand, their culture, their way of living and a brilliant movie to intruduce Muay Thai. Tom Yum Goong does not even come close, there is that over done corruption and revenge involved, Over the top 'hate'. AY! Someone! Give it a rest, write something great will yah!

I'm looking forward that they produce a well written and deliver a more meaningful MA movie for the next or future Tony Jaa film.
TKD
Technically, i rank tom yum gonng on the same level of ong bak, cause of these movies have his own charm! Tom yum goong is more based on the self defense, brutality and breaking bones...and ong bak is more based on the acrobatics tricks!

I see Tom yum goong 3 days ago and i was very impress about this movie! But its true that some character aren't developped like Johnny!

The fight against Lateef (capoeira fighter) is very amazing, but i dont understand the reason why they fight, cause the character of Lateef isn't developped so much.

In my opinion, Tom yum Goong is a movie for the action and not for the scenario. Some fight doesn't have a sense, but it was so amasing that i can't say that i hate the movie, but the some fighting's scene are to short, like the swordman fight...Kham finished the fight with a kick and the swordman disappear and that it!


But if i have no choice to rank this 2 movies, i give 10 to ong bak, cause the movie show very well the thai culture! And i give 9 to Tom Yum Goong, cause the characters, the story and the scenario aren't much developped! 01_smile.gif

But after all, i like these 2 movies at the same level!
anurak
i don't want to sound like i'm only complaining against TYG, so i want to point out some things that i liked:

despite that there were a few scenes that were too dark (only a small few; most scenes were very well-lit), the cinematography is quite beautiful especially in the early scenes of the movie. the jungle scenes were especially beautiful.

por yai is such a majestic elephant. he only has a few scenes in the movie, but he has an incredible presence and really is one of the best-developed characters of the movie. i have to give credit to both por yai and to prachya pinkaew. por yai gets credit for being able to convey a lot of emotion and intent without uttering a single word (obviously), and prachya for so skillfully capturing por yai's charisma. also credit to the sound fx team for por yai's grunts and groans which also helped convey his 'personality'.
Maxi
I agree anurak,

I love the first part, his childhood and growing up with the elephant, his father as his mentor. I love the elemental background of the small village, the Thai dancers, the old men playing the instruments. It brought an exotic atmosphere of the Thai cultural environment like time forgotten or
never was spoiled by the modern world.

The fights scenes were great, I enjoyed the warehouse scene, the capoeira fight sequence with the water flooding the room was original. Great combo, Capoeira vs. Muay Thai. Then as it evolves with more men to fight, the fights was over done as he climb the levels of floors. I wished it was other MA styles that he had to cross (ala game of death) to rich the top, but that scene was too easy for him.

As you mentioned on Johnny Nyuyen, I wish they extended Johhny's character with a serious battle with Kham, but he was just forgotten and went somewhere, did he escape or somethin? I questioned where he went, he never died, just a badly written part of his script.....Sorry Johhny Nyuyen, guess it's all about the star of the film.
Lola
Anurak,
the article you posted is really good.
The writers mother tongue is definitely english,
which makes me a little jealous because I want to be able to
write in english as good as him to share my thoughts.
But say it, SAY IT! My post about TYG was too long, wasn´t it? 22_weep.gif
Ok, I try to make it short.
I have nothing to add to the article,
I think Mr. Pollard earns his money with it.
But I want to say and ask something about the last posts.

the running time within the film of Kham´s growing up is a little fast.
because: when the two elephants (sorry forgot their names) made the baby,
Kham was a child. cut. baby elephant was born and Kham is an adult.
what was in between? ok, maybe it´s not important, but I thought an elephant gives birth
to a baby after almost two years?
For me as an interested foreigner it was shown too less of Kham´s growing up.
But I think I mentioned it already in my last post about TYG.
But there are still some questions about the plot:
Kham is a village boy. He knows nothing about the western world?
He got his visa and passport pretty quick, hm?
Where did he get the money from to fly to Australia?
He managed this complete new world a little too good for me.
question to Anurak: where was the character develpment for the elephants when Kham lands in
Australia? Didn´t they disappear? I didn´t see them anymore till the middle of the film.
I agree with Anurak that in TYG there are much acrobatics and gymnastics,
but (to TKD) isn´t OB also a nice show for self defense, not only acrobatic tricks?
For me even more than in TYG.
But I want to come to the point I actually want to mention
leaned on Maxis post about the stabbing scene.
first, Maxi, there was a little blood on the knife, a little but it was there 19_tongue.gif
ok, seriously.
the stabbing scene is indeed unrealistic, for me because the acting skills were missing.
Somebody puts a knife into his body and
the only thing I could see in his face was surprize and a little shock.
But what then?
I mean imagine you have a knife in your belly... it hurts and you could die.
No fear of death? Ok, no fear of death, maybe he thought about it enough not to fear it.
But no physical pain?
Ok, no physical pain, enough adrenalin.
But no fear not to have enough time to revenge the death of his family member?
What I want to say that Tony should work on his acting skills.
He tends to have a stoic face.
That was Tings nice characteristic trait to be the shy and lost in thoughts- boy
but he didn´t develop in that case with Kham.
While watching the movie it seemed to me that there is Ting on screen
who knows the city a bit better now.
What differs Ting and Kham exept Khams (senseless) brutality?
The crying scene was very good but why didn´t he extend it?
He really has talent in acting and it was a waste not to show it.
Acting also means body language and
if not him who else would be more able to handle and controll his body?
Of course the body controll in martial art and acting are different but
I think it´s easier for Tony´s round body to learn it
than for somebody whom´s body is rectangular.
Only a few lessons and the chance to show it...!?
The first step would be to give Tony more text.
(by the way, Tony has in the german version two different voices in OB and TYG)

Sorry, it´s a long post again,
but I love this topic too much than to be able to hold it back 1e.gif
anurak
lola, it's good that you write a long post! that's what this topic is here for. i'll write more later, but i have to kind of collect my thoughts first... but let me just answer the question:

in my opinion, there is no more character development for the elephants after they leave thailand. i think most character development for por yai is already finished by the time kham says goodbye to him on the cliff.

more later...
mynameis
Okie, am the next ...

In my opinion, TYG could have been another BIG success of Tony Jaa as well as the film crew.

All hardest long scenes was done excellently & beautifullly, reaching inter-level (the childhood scene, the fighting sequence in temple & all other action scenes ...). And the fighting scenes affirmed TJ's #1 talent in MA-acting & choreographing, which made me really proud of being his fan !

The story is cool (I meant the main story line). Elephants with TJ's childhood, animal selling & killing problem, going to Aus ... It's a touching story, a topical problem, and ifself very original !

And then, some silly details, tini mistakes killed the film. I mean these mistakes are unacceptable & can be fixed easily !

So I say I'm not disapointed about TYG, I just feel SORRY for it & Tony. After all hardworks & talents, Tony deserves another BIG success which TYG could have brought.


(Wow, very serious post today 0146.gif )
Lola
Mynameis,
what silly details do you mean?
I´ve seen TYG only one time so I´m sure I missed them.
hm, I guess that TYG is a big success or am I wrong?
mynameis
Hi Lola,
I will be very pleased to answer the questions "what silly details do you mean? "

But first off, I wanna check if there's problem with my English but ... after all your long review above, you meant to say TYG is a another BIG success ? (Ofcource success here is about the film quality, not about the "money taking in cinemas" respect right ?)

I need your reply before deciding to continue this conversation ... 01_smile.gif

PS. When I said "another BIG success", I meant "another OngBak" in quality meaning. And I believe most of people here understood.
mynameis
Mmm ... I think my reply is not very nice. I'm sorry !
I'll answer all your questions later when I have time, Lola !
01_smile.gif
Lola
"big success" can mean the quality of the film or
or how much money they made with it, just like you said.
I thought about the money, not the quality,
so there was a misunderstanding between us 1e.gif
I just wanted to be sure what you meant,
and... hehe... it was good to ask... sweatingbullets.gif
PS: your english is good!
mynameis
QUOTE(Lola @ Jul 20 2006, 10:40 PM) *

PS: your english is good!

0146.gif Thank you !
I always love compliments !
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