i just saw a commercial for Muay Kaad Cheuk on Ch5... is it really going to be televised? i thought Muay Kaad Cheuk was too brutal for TV.

anyone have any information...?

What is Muay Kaad Cheuk ?

Muay Kaad Cheuk is the form of Muay Thai but the boxer wraps his fist by the rope instread of wearing boxing glove. That's what boxers both in Thailand and Burma used to fight hundreds years ago. Moreover, the rule of Muay Kaad Cheuk is that it has to have 2 refereees in the ring.
In Ong Bak, Muay Kaad Cheuk, is the Fight between Ting and Saming in the ring. Both has no glove, and there are two referees in the ring.

hehe oki. Thanks for your explanation ;)

I think it's illegal to have Muay Kad Chuak in Thailand now. That is my understanding since it's too brutal and somebody got killed before.

They might have the fight outside Thailand, maybe, further north. I am not sure.

In fact, when we refer Muay Kaad Chuak, we often mean Muay Boran, too. But today Muay Boran is very rare. As a consequence, I think according to the news, it's gonna be just fighters with ropes on their hands, but the boxing style is still modern Muay Thai.

If you guys wanna know more about Muay Boran, I can recommend a good book named "Siamese Boxing."
(Siamese is what we use to be called before Thai.)

In that book, it has both Thai and English in the same book including some drawing in ancient style of Muay Thai (Muay Boran). Moreover, the book will describe some history of Thailand the evolved Muay Thai.

Personally, that one book give me more in formation about Muay Boran than google since most of information in google about Muay Thai is about Modern Muay Thai.

Hi bro. I was wondering, where can I find this book? I live in the US and I can not find it anywhere. Is it something I have to order staight from Thailand?

Thanks,
~Tim

i think it's out of print now

Muay Kaad Cheuk is illegal, but there are still tournaments every now and then. It is possible to get a special permit from the government for the tournaments. There was a tournament in the end of last year and it was televised. The winner was a Burmese fighter, he knocked out his Thai opponent.

When are they going to show the fights, Anurak?

Wait, is Muay Kaad Cheuk also known as "Muay Korat"? If so, I can believe that I saw it in Ong Bak, because Tony Jaa used Muay Korat right (someone mentioned this also)? The art looks really violent but its also very intersting.

muay kaad cheuk = boxing with rope-wrapped fists
muay korat = boxing from korat

suuri, i don't know about the fight schedule; i saw that commercial more than 1 year ago and don't remember the particulars of it. maybe it was for the annual burma vs thailand fight in mae sot during songkran?

ongkot is right, by the way: what is televised on tv is muay kaad cheuk, but it's not muay boran. it's modern techniques, wearing ropes instead of boxing gloves. the traditional fighting system is NOT used.

Oh, I didn't check when you had posted the original message...

But that's true, Muay Kaad Cheuk today is just modern muay Thai without gloves

Is there a way to find out for sure?

last time i checked, it was out of print. 99% certain it's still out of print. 1% chance it's still in print. maybe less...

Ok, its out of print cause somebody get killed before or the governement said that it was too brutal to show this techniques?

I want to learn more aboute it! thk!

i don't think that's the reason it's out of print... did you find out something about this? i think it's just out of print for the same reason any book is out of print.

Ok sorry, it's just because i did't good read your sentence!

Thanks bro. Do you know of any other books or DVDs that show Muay Thai Boran?

you might like muaythai.com.

Have you heard of Marco de Cesaris? If so, what do you think?

FYI:
I studied Muay Thai under Master Toddy for 3 yrs. I stopped training back in 1999 due to a car accident. Muscle spasims made it impossible to trian. In 2001 I started Wing Chun under Sifu Blaine Collins. Sifu Collins was forced to close his school because of his advanced students (his advanced students would go to other martail art schools and tell them that their system did NOT work. Then, they would prove it.) In Nov of 2003 I started training in Wing chun again under Sifu Bradley Temple, who learned from Lo Man Kam (Yip Man's Nephew). But once again, the Muay Thai bug has bit me. I called Master Toddy regarding training, and he says he teaches Muay Thai Boran and the sport/ring version of Muay Thai. I will start my Muay Thai training tomorrow. Wish me luck.

so you'll be with master toddy? very cool. i take it you're in the las vegas area..? best of luck in your training!

regarding marco de cesaris... you know the saying "if you don't have anything nice to say then don't say anything at all" ? with that in mind, i have nothing to say.

Yah, I'm back with Master Toddy and it feels good. As for Marco de Cesaris, I was planing to buy his book and a few of his DVD, but after your reply I'll more than likely skip that idea. Thanks again for your help.

you're quite welcome! we invite you to register as a member of the forum if you like. and keep your eyes open for TYG news; the north american release is still several months away, but it is coming!

Man you don't want to hurt the others, believe me.
MUAY KAAD CHEUK
Naaah, is better for me stay out of this topic, this bring me back some bad old memories

I tried to register, but the site would not take my email. Can you help? If so, my emails firefight750@aol.com

Thanks,
~Tim

Bad memories? Like what, if you don't mind me asking?

Superman, the aol email address are not allowed anymore because they spam my webmail so please use an another email to register. Don't hesitate to contact Anurak or myself if you have a problem. I send you an email right now.

Here, the kicboxers are very inspired by tony jaa, so after they see ong bak they decide to create a muay kaad cheuk match.
I only discover that ropes in the hands are very dangerous after punch my opponent with a powerful hook. So since that day i only use ropes to train myself (alone), and i don't climb in the rings anymore no matter the situation. i become a peaceful warrior. (it was luck i didn't become a monk)
I really feel sorry for him, i didn't know what i was doing

Anyway i also have been desqualificated many times by hurting my opponents in the ring, so i relize that my training is not for competition is for my own defence, at the beginning i pratice MA because is a way to protect myself, but now is also a way to keep the peace in my soul.

I don´t know much of Muay Kaad Chuek but i know that during the Ayuthaya era came the introduction of Muay Kaad Chuek. That is the use of unrefined hemp wrappings to protect the fingers and wrists. A length of around 20 metres was enough to bind one hand. The use of Muay Kaad Chuek quickly spread, as a bound fist is tougher, stronger and better protected against injury than an unbound one. It is said that before a contest fighters immersed their fists in water. This would cause the binding to harden when it dried, making it capable of producing serious injury. Some people go further and claim that fighters dipped their hands in glue and ground glass. Such a contest would certainly have made a gory sight! To this day an annual Muay Kaad Chuek contest with Laos is held in Nong Khai near the NE border with Laos, on the Thai side of the Mekong River. A Muay Kaad Chuek contest with Burma is staged in the Mae Sot, western Thailand, during the Sonkran festivities (April 12-14). Matches are fought in a circular ring and go for five rounds. The first four rounds last three minutes. The fifth round has no time limit; boxers fight until first blood or knockout.
But like the other´s members sayed it´s very dangerous.
If anyone wants watch pictures of Muay Kaad Chuek check the site
http://www.horizonmuaythai.com/fightnight.html

videos of Muay Kaad Cheuk:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukqmCiedafU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=328YVJVtMKU

Yeah chaotic you're right
Hold 5 rounds (5 minutes each) in a muay kaad cheuk's battle is pretty hard.
Not as a boxing match but, muay thai warriors has strongers bones and every time you get punch by cisal ropes it become difficult to hold the breath.
So i repect any boxer wich can hold until the last round (even if he loses) even more if he is from a muay kaad cheuk battle.

Damn! I thought that dude died or something. I was shocked. He received full impact of that kick in the face. Oh man, that's really scary.

every year on 5th december. it's still alive. the name of tournament is Muay kaad cheuk chalerm prakiat (celebrate the king) on ch.5. it's so brutal, bloody and pity for the loser.

According a tv-ad there should be Muay Kaad Cheuk tomorrow (Friday 13), on Channel 5 at 16.00 local Thai time.

are you going to watch it? if so let us know how it is!

by the way i'll be heading to thailand this summer. i'll PM you later.

Today's tournament was annual(?) Thai-Burmese Friendship Tournament, so all the fights were between Thais and Burmese. All fights were scheduled five 3-minute rounds. The fights were as follows:

First fight, 54kg (please don't ask any fighter's name, I didn't catch them)
Winner: Burmese, 1st round KO

Second fight, 54kg
Winner: Thai, 3rd round KO

This match was really dramatic, the Thai got almost knocked out at the same time as he KO'd the Burmese! They both fell down but the Thai managed to get up, but it seemed like he didn't really know where he was and he barely managed to stay on his feet. But he was standing up, and so won the match.

Third fight, 64kg
Winner: Thai, 2nd round KO

Fourth fight, 64kg
Winner: Burmese, 1st round KO

Fifth fight, 55kg
Winner: Burmese, 2nd round KO

Sixth fight, 54kg
Winner: Burmese, 2nd round TKO, the referee stopped the match

Seventh fight, 55(?)kg
Winner: Thai, 1st round KO

This knock out was quite something: the Burmese tried to kick the Thai who managed to catch his leg, then threw him down and kicked him to the stomach. It doesn't sound fancy when you read it, but believe me, this was quite brutal looking and well executed KO.

Eight fight, 54(?)kg
Winner: Burmese fighter, 1st round KO

All the knock outs, excluding the 7th fight, were due punching or elbow techniques. Apparently the fights continue on Saturday, but won't be broadcast.

Muay Kaad Cheuk is really something, the fighting is much faster than in any other kickboxing matches! And I don't mean just how quickly all the matches ended, the overall pace of fighting is really intense. Burmese are really tough in this kind of fighting, every time I've seen Muay Kaad Cheuk-tournaments with Burmese participating, I've been impressed by their intensity and technical skills. Thais are also good, but I think Burmese are even more skillful. I think that comes from the fact that this kind of fighting is still going on in Myanmar on regular basis, whereas in Thailand the matches are reserved to special occasions like New Year, so the fighters don't have as much experience as the Burmese do.

sounds really exciting! wish i could have seen it myself. thanks for the report!!