i'm new here, nice to meet you all :)

i've watched TYG twice and here's my comments:
on one hand i do like the actions alot
the bone breaking skills are stunning
on the other hand there are a number of mistakes
like when jaa gets hurt in the head, there are no wounds at the next shot! and same with the stabbing wounds!

but then the jokes are really funny

hope all of you can watch this real soon *

Welcome to the new members. I have moved your posts in this "official I saw it" topic

bruce lee had a philosophy of not fighting unless absolutely necessary. "enemy does not move, i do not move".

also, in his movies he always demonstrates avoiding fights if he can.

i think he got that quote from s. mantis... it's part of the system's creed.

i agree with those here that say the quality (lighting) of the film wasn't too good. actually, it was a big improvement over ongbak, and i think the director did it on purpose. in tyg, the edges of a lot frames were 'out of focus', really murky whilst the middle was great quality, but in ongbak it was obvious that the quality of the equipment/lighting was to blame especially with some camera angles.

also, the story and acting was poor. nevertheless, the fighting did make up for it. the ongbak storyline was much more enjoyable.

however, i think that tony's character lacked a certain charisma that an expert kung fu master should have, a certain style that controls how and when to fight, the use of stealth, and change of fighting technique not unsimilar to that of the character of johnny who did an excellent performance (though rather short).

also, tony also displays some 'standard' stances prior to and after some moves (temple, truck top), which seem to not mix well with the situation and look out of place.

i heard the scenes where the stunt ment wait for a split sceond to get hit was improved meaning that it doesnt look as staged as ong bak did. but then some people say it looks the same as ong bak. i think the fighting will improve anyway because i heard they don't use the repeating slowdown thing.

Yea guys, just enjoy this "one great ACTION movie" :) (And blah!! I still haven't seen it yet -US-) Be proud because it's a Thai movie for everybody out there. Now keep it mind that TYG production is like what 25-50% Australian? Which I think it's required by law? So.. to think of it, TYG was "probably" using those Australian's equipments since 80% of the movie was shot in Australia. And by that, the lighting could be some issue. If I were the director, I wouldn't be able to explain the "exact" lighting I wanted because I'm thai and my English is not 100%. It is hard to work with two different crews and languages. To pull it off, (from the trailers I saw) I think they did a great job. In a story wise, same thing, you're working with bunch of international actors and actresses, including the crews. (what would you expect?) To have a control over the story, that would be real hard.

Over all, I think TYG is going to be one of "hella" movie for me when I get chance to see it. I am expacting great ACTION and looking forward to see some Thai elephants and that's all. (Again, just my own little opionions about the movie "that I haven't seen yet")

welcome to the forum, Khon Thai! i can't wait for the movie too!

Hey.. I just got this today. Limited Edition (Only 1,000 made) Tony Jaa 12 inches poseable action figure. I just thought I would show it off here.

" felt like Karm beating up people with no reason "

If those people happened to shot his dad and kidnapped 2 of his family members....I guess there's plenty of reason to beat them up badly..

I know but the way that they presented Karm's feeling when his dad was shot and the time that Poryai and Korn were kidnapped was no peak in emotion to lead him to knock everyone down just like that. I think the first part of the movie is very poor so that I can't feel that Karm has enough rights to beat all villains so badly.

To make myself clear, please read my comment BEFORE I see TYG in Post #3 . After seeing it, I have to admit that TYG movie is far from my expectation Ong-bak is the best movie of TJ.

WHy does the action doll have a bell on his hand? Yeah, it might be a stupid question, but I havent seen the movie yet, and wont for a while. I live in America.
Oh! and how much was it?

2,800 Baht. Around $68. Pretty expensive.

The bell has important meaning in the film, which I think should not be revealed. You will have to see it yourself.

Hahaha u are a bit wrong there, bruce lee was famous for beating up guys that challenged him when working on movies like The big boss, there was always someone challenging him, and he always took up the fight and beat them up severely..

Bruce lee was a good guy maybe but certainly not a nice guy.

Jackie chan has been challenged also a lot, but he never takes them on, and in the 1 or 2 occasions that he did, he had to do that, but just defended and took them out in 1 blow if he could, not wanting to hurt anyone much for real.

Can you write ** SPOILERS ** when you are talking about details of the film ? Thank you very much

i wasnt talking about tyg

I was not talking about you

After finished 2 times watching, I found TYG the Movie is fully by a great symbolic meanning attached to it, significances and hint!! You have to watched with meticulous-eyes to find any significances that the director attached in it for the smooth story line.

today at egv they were gving away free tickets for tyg, and also free comboset (cola + popcorn)!!!

Maybe they are happy the movie did so well at the boxoffice?

i found out it was a promotion for orange phone...

they dont give out free stuff over here. Wish they did. Haha.

hey i'm surprised to hear that jackie chan stood up and fought challengers rather than run away like he does in his films.
he has to be the most irratating hero of all time. atleast with bruce lee he never ran in his films or in real life.

jackie chan is a great comedy actor and a great stunt man but an average martial artist.
to me theres no difference between jackie chan and chuck norris

I can't beleive you just said that.

Oh NO, NO, NO, my friend. You are mixing Oil and Water there, buddy.

Correction: Jackie Chan is NOT an average Martial Artist , but you are RIGHT about Chuck Norris (he's Oil=Slow).

Whatever comment you mention about Bruce Lee on legendary stories from in or out of movies on what he has done or didn't do, it would NOT MATTER anymore because he is dead.....Great martial artist, but gone.

For example: Michael Jordan was great in the basketball court. No one new that he would retire,...Later, no one cared anymore, BUT people still talk about
his legendary moves and new generation want to "be like Mike".
He is still around and tries other things, but since he is OUT of the game,....NO ONE CARES, only admired......and if he does come back (I doubt it), it's all about $$$$$


So, what matters is Bruce's Philosophy and Teachings that left behind...JKD.
The positive contributions he made is seen on film and applied in few martial arts schools today.....

Were you there when Bruce or Jackie was challenged? Does it matter?
I shake my head when people talk as if as though they were there or a personal
friends with Bruce or Jackie....

What do you think about TYG?

I watched the movie three times in theater unitl now.

Comparison with the Ong-Bak, it seems that the director want to show too many things,
this interrupt understanding story and there are many unnecessary scenes,
for example the scenes of newscast, long-winded explanation about Kham's enemy, mafia.

Maybe, the success of Ong-Bak would be a burden on the director,
and he felt the oppression of the second movie.

Although the second did not satisfy me fully unlike Ong-Bak,
I like this becuase of Tony Jaa's wonderful actions.

What are your opinion of TYG?


And I'm sorry for my poor English.
I can't express more detailed and exact ideas of movie because of my poor English.

Also, I really want you not to misunderstand my opinion.
It is just my opinion and I don't rebuke the director or Jaa for TYG.
As you know, I defintly love him and Thailand very much.

Haven't watched TYG, but seems like there are lots of negative reviews, even in "Tony Jaa Fan Site". So what do you think about the fighting/action, Jiny K?

Here is a good review from the movie

http://www.lovehkfilm.com/panasia/tom_yum_goong.htm

To Recoba.

As you expect, his fighting/action doesn't disappoint me.
His action becomes more powerful, gorgeous than the former film, Ong-Bak.
But the tedious story interrupts the flow of film...I think.

As for me, Ong-Bak is my favoirte film of Jaa until now.


ps
Recoba~
Can I ask you a question ?
You said your location is USA-Thailand, you are American or Thailand person?

To Recoba.

and..Recoba!

My name is Jiny Kim. Kim is my family name.
So you call me Jiny Kim, not Jiny K.

As you know, the family name doesn't abbreviate..;)
Then have a good time!

I haven't watch the movie yet, but I watched the "making of" vcd. The actions are worth waiting for. Many people complain about editing. That might be because the director had to follow the "investers" of the movie (Sia Jiang & Sponsors).

I feel sorry for Prachya & crew that they have to follow the order of those businessmen.

Anyway, I'll wait for DVD & US release.

Oh..Jiny Kim. It means you've missed a lot of translations that I did? Take a look at this
http://www.tonyjaa.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=785

So obviously, I'm Thai, 21 year old male. I'm studying in the US now. There are lots of Korean girls in my college, and they are SO HOT...like burning. Beautiful and friendly. I think I'm becoming a Korean-girls fetish now.

Forgive me about calling you incorrectly...

Talk about korea, here in Europe and especially the netherlands, korean movies are the hottest thing right now.. Lot of people buying and collecting them on dvd, and i do that also, also thai movies off course, but korean make more better ones..

Thank you for the instant reponse.
This is not your fault, but my careless mistake.

I love Thai people as do you.
You, I think, are very attractive because your dark-brown skin looks healthy and sexy, which makes you more charming and also your large, double-edged eyes are quite beautiful....

I really love you, Thai people...

Hi~ friend!

What do you want to know about Korea??

Netherlands? Oh, I know it is Hidink(is this right spelling of his name?)'s nation!
We, Korean, always love him and miss his excellent leadership.

For my opinion,
TYG is as good as Thai staff did.
They had little of money (200 m Baht)

I hope in the future they can improve their skill.



Hi Jiny Kim,

I'm the one who like Korea movie very much.
Such as my sassy girl, My little bride, A tale of two sister and Il mare.
And my favorites actress is Moon Kuen Young.

yes Guus Hiddink is coach of psv here now, and we had 2 very good korean players Lee and Park, but Park moved now to man United and Lee left this week for Tottenham Hotspurs in England.
Hiddink will go to the world cup again as coach of australia, too bad he wont go for Korea again

I have many fav actresses from korea, Ha Ji won, Kim jung eun, eun kyung shin but many more ...

when does the vcd or the dvd come out? i want to see this movie so bad!

Somehow i do agree with some Cactrot Rapido statement. but i do really hope TYG will be much more clear when it comes out into DVD version. Its a bit dissapointing when i just found out my d9 Ong-Bak is nowhere to reach d9 quality itself :( . but nevertheless im still happy coz im able to collect this double disc version. its ok for me to wait TYG in dvd version as long as they can produce high quality image and sound which appropiate with the media.

ps: i think i miss out the scene when Kham's father tell him about Jaturungkabart (where Kham stand and listen while his dad sitting on bench). or maybe it was cut... :(

What in the heavens?, did some of the people on this board just got beaten by Tony Jaa or bitter former stuntmen?.Its plain obvious that his beloved pets were kidnapped and he is on the loose with temper unleashed upon the thugs.

TYG have 5 times the amount of stunts and fights than Ong Bak,i don't come to see fighting movies just because the hero wants to marry a rich man's daughter,but the rich man hates the poor status of the hero yet is somehow connected to the hero's father.Or do you want to see some romance like Romeo and Juliet?

There are prolong and spectacular boss fights against real Martial artists this time.The boat chase is definitely better than the tuk tuk chase in ong bak, with more aggressive crashes and explosions.

If you really love storylines and plot so much,there are always Shakesphere to satisfy the hunger.Not having rich storylines
never hurt Bruce the legend movies.The Thai director is already great because he never uses wires like Jet li movies.

The Thai team even went as far as to go international by having Mark to speak English , yet people still can't appreciate the least of their hardwork.

The humour is tons better than Ong Bak,Mark bring life to the movie instead of mindless cheating and gambling. In Singapore, people laugh when Mark started to swear coz its funny and its his distinctive style.

Last but not least, TYG is definitely much better than the already terrific Ong Bak.

ive just seen it i watched it all in thai with no english subtitles or anything and i still kind of understood what was going on i think and i still enjoyed it aswell

the fight scenes are wicked i like the bit at the end when he gets angry and fights loads of men at one time wont go into details as some people have not seen it and i dont want to spoil it...


but yes its good easy to watch film and good fights in it which is what tony is all about

Hi guys, I have just seen it on VCD too, and I thought it was awesome! The fights and stunts were just mind blowing, although the story was a little weak.

*SPOILERS*

My favourite scene was the fight in the warehouse with all the extreme sports guys, and the bone crunching scene near the end where he takes on a room full of bad guys!

Can’t wait to get this on DVD when HKL release it here in the UK!

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I just came back from seeing TYG.

First, I have to say I'm disappointed on the movie's quality. It really shows that the director had reached his own limit in Ong-Bak. There're many useless points in TYG, I wonder what parts of the movie you are mentioning. I think there is none of such point how story goes, the light, the lines (conversation).

Basically, it's just a Thai movie with more budget. The movie didn't go to another level. There're lame jokes (which mostly just rude language, thanks to Mam again). The story behind the bad guys doesn't fit in. [B] How? The news report scene is poor, can't they find a native speaker who speaks better English? And the most important thing is light. Ong-Bak has a problem with the light, the movie is too dark, same with TYG. How do you show Tony Jaa when we don't see his face clearly. Some scenes we see a guy fliiping around kicking things who looks somehow like Tony Jaa. The last fight scene has poor image quality just like in Ong-Bak. It's like you convert 500K.jpg to 12K.gif. [COLOR=red]Really? Are you exaggerating?

Anyway, the action scenes are great. There're some long shots that make you feel like you're watching video games, a hero walks and beats bad guys around non-stop, it's just like that. However, there're some moves that they borrow from Ong-Bak Do you know Muay Thai? ONG-BAK is not the origin of the moves. It's the Thai martial art that can be used when ever you fight. So how come you say "borrow"?, so I start to worry that they may run out of idea soon. [COLOR=red] Don't worry so. The moves in ONG-BAK are not the new creation.

After watching it, I think it's time to find a new director/producer for Tony Jaa. He shouldn't waste his time designing an action scene for a movie like this anymore. Remember, he's 30 right now. Movie production in Thailand is poor, I hope he works with Hong Kong/Korea/Japan producer/director/crew while he still designs action scenes of his own. At least they know how to control the light in movies... [COLOR=red][B]I think Pratchya can improve the light himself ...... no need of HK, KR, or JP director

If you saw it, please post your opinion.

Okay.

I admit it.

(Sorry Thawan and Sawatdee.)

I said I'd wait for the DVD release.

I gave in to temptation and ordered the VCD.




It came yesterday.

And yes. I admit it.

I teared open the package...

... and WATCHED IT RIGHT AWAY.

WOW! Yes WOW! It's what I anticipated.

Tony is amazing in the movie.
I've never seen such efficient techniques.
The bone-breaking and joint locks.

Ouch!

Again, I feel sorry for the bad guys.
(Many of the bone-breaking scenes look
so real! I wonder if the stuntmen involved had
to go to the hospital.)

Tony got the energy and stamina of a stallion.
The fury of a tiger.

Like I said, I watch Tom Yum Goong for Tony's
action. It's the same reason I enjoyed Ong Bak.
So I really didn't mind the areas that were
considered by many to be weak.

So with that said, I do agree that particular aspects of the movie could be better. There are some weird editing. Some big gaps and flaws. Yes. The lighting could use some expertise. (I'm being vague so as not to spoil the movie for those diehards who still have not watch it.)

It's also very interesting that I find similaries in Tom Yum Goong with Bruce Lee's movies. (I know. I can't help it. I'm also a Bruce Lee fan. And what I'm about to point out are merely my observations and opinion).

The fight scene with the extreme skaters and bikers remind me of Bruce's fight in the warehouse with the motorcycle riders (Game of Death).

Kham (Tony) fought various villians and go through stages of fighting are reminescent again of Bruce's fight scenes in Game of Death. Massive Nathan Jones is the equivalent of super tall Kareem Abdul Jabar.

Kham travel to Sydney, Australia to the restaurant Tom Yum Goong have a similar tone of Bruce's character going to Rome to help a restaurant in trouble (Return of the Dragon, aka the Way of the Dragon).

In one street fight scene, Kham kicked a street lamp reminds me of Bruce kicking a ceiling light to scare his opponent (Return of the Dragon), and also in the infamous scene with James Gardner in the TV series Longstreet.

The drugged up girls in the restaurant brings to mind the drugged up prostitutes caged in glass rooms (Enter the Dragon).

The's more, but I won't spoil it.

Oh yeah. The bumping into "Jackie Chan" at the airport is interesting. It's the same-styled messaging thought up by Prachya Pinkaew to Luc Besson and Spielberg in Ong Bak.

just seen tyg

i really enjoyed it. some of the action scenes are spectacular. the fight in the warehouse, the one-take ascent of the tom yum goong restaurent and the limb busting fight near the end are the highlights. these scenes are better than the action scenes in ong-bak. overall though i enjoyed ong-bak more. the moments of english dialogue are terrible. makes the actors performances seem really stilted. petchai wongkamlao is nearly incomprehensible. i want to see tj do something different next time.

I agree that I couldn't understand a word the Thai characters said when they spoke english. And the acting from the Australians was very bad.

I THOUGHT THE MOVIE ROCKED!! hehehee, ALL THE ACTION SEQUENCES WERE VERY EXHILARATING, I LUV'D THE SETS THEY USED, THE WAREHOUSE, AND THE TEMPLE FIGHT WITH LATEEF CROWDER AND JON FOO WAS PRETTY WICKED, I LIKED WATCHING TONY TRYING TO FIGURE OUT LATEEF'S WEAKNESS IN HIS CAPOERIA STYLE.

OVER ALL I APPRECIATE THE DANGEROUS SEQUENCES THEY PERFORM JUST TO ENTERTAIN PEOPLE LIKE US THAT ENJOY THESE AWESOME MOVIES.

PEACE OUT PEEPS

I thought it was fantastic. It was great and just watching the action scenes made me exhausted, I felt sorry for Tony!

I pretty much understood all the English words because I have friends from Thailand and their English isn't the best, but I still admire them for trying, I can't speak any Thai, so I have no room to judge!

Even so I enjoyed the movie and mostly understood what was going on, I will definitley buy a DVD with English subtitles, but I still enjoyed the movie very much. I've already seen it twice so far.

Awesome movie...fight scenes and stunts clearly eclipses those of Ong Bak...tony's acting improved and was stronger in TYG than Ong Bak although he still spoke little...I found Mum's english to be hilarious and comedic so I really enjoyed when he spoke english even though it was hard to understand(I liked it when he said "I just have a hunch")...Tuk's on the otherhand was frustrating, they should have never made her speak english and should just cut out her english parts for international release...it's true how some people show out of nowhere like when the guy in the truck pops out of nowhere and picks up mum and tony...i had no problem with the lighting, better than ong bak....i liked how the camera followed tony in some of the action scenes, it really felt like a videogame and they done a good job at that...my favorite fight scene was him and lateef which i wish was longer and i still don't understand what happened to him, he just disappeared...it was funny how they had sek (thai singer from "loso")or lookalike or whatever in the movie...

put it short...off the hook action and fights...can't wait for the next movie...

I'm out...

I was in Sydney and bought it on DVD. I think it was the Hong Kong Version.

It didn't have any subtitles in English so I didn't fully understand everything.

It was Outstanding. Started off a little slow when compared to Ong Bak.

The one thing I thought he didn't have in Ong Bak was an on screen pressence. He was so brutal that I found one in TYG.

The bit where he "climbs" the resturant was great it was all in one shot. Which showed the director was pushing the boundaries ?

I agree the light needed a bit of work. I just thought it was a dodgy DVD. Not Region 4 (Australia).

I felt that if it were dubbed well and had the right promotion it could launch Tony to alot more people and give him a American production.

If I were a director I'd be looking for a script to cast Tony in.